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And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« on: April 17, 2012, 04:05:21 AM »
I have been Canon customer since my first ESO 100, love all my lenses, own an ailing, abused 5D (my wrong) and a T2i. Now, I am in a dilemma and cannot decide for the 5D3. Some may say: “Fork out the dough, grab, shoot, and stop bother us with your moaning”. Fine.  Some others may gently share some of their thoughts.

Well, it looks like the last four models released (or soon to be) by Canon are specialized cams. And specialized tools are for specialists, not really for the mere-mortals-hobbyists or whatever you call them.  Here's the list:
1Dc in which C is for Cinema: way above my league.
1Dx in which X is for eXtreme: badass machine good for London-OG high velocity as well as Afghanistan super-heat, above my league.
60Da in which A is for Astrophotography: sure a desirable cam for star/nebula-spotters but not my cup of tea.

And now:  5D3 or 5Dω ? Indeed, the more I read about it, the more it seems to me to be a 5Dω in which ω is for Wedding. A great camera for that. That means a tool you don’t mind paying 3,800 bucks (incl. tax) for because it will pay for itself with the awesome wed photos it will produce. Frankly, Canon should have spelled the name correctly with a 90° clockwise twist. Like for the 60Da, there wouldn’t be any fuss.

All this is until the competition boldly showed the way and made possible what was impossible just 2 years ago. I don’t care the D800. But. Technology seems to be on high gear again. Within a year we might see Uberpix cameras with pixel binning or whatever, with high-ISO/DR/res and a cold beer. If so, although built like a tank to last a decade, the 5Dω might become older before its due time. Fair enough for the pros: it will be already paid for by the wedding photos. At that price point however, it’ll become heavier and heavier in the bag of the hobbyist. And don't forget: that's when hobbyists buy in drones, that price can be made reasonable. 

So, I feel like handcuffed to a chair with a 5D3 in front of me. It looks at me with its big eye and tells me: “I’m not for you, buddy” … The wait is not over yet. Damn … 

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And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 05:48:01 AM »
This is hardly a wedding only camera... by that definition we'll need a whole bunch of other letters. the 1Dc and 60Da are VERY specialised cameras, so it makes sense that its an offshoot. Alternatively, the 1DX being the 10th overall, as well as looking generally badass makes sense.

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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
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ω is Ω = omega. When it is in a word, we pronounce it like an o.
It has nothing to do with w.
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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 07:29:19 AM »
ω is Ω = omega. When it is in a word, we pronounce it like an o.
It has nothing to do with w.

Exactly. I thought he was asking whether the 5D3 was gonna be the last model in the 5D line, when I saw the subject header.

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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 07:59:29 AM »
I have been Canon customer since my first ESO 100, love all my lenses, own an ailing, abused 5D (my wrong) and a T2i. Now, I am in a dilemma and cannot decide for the 5D3. Some may say: “Fork out the dough, grab, shoot, and stop bother us with your moaning”. Fine.  Some others may gently share some of their thoughts.

Well, it looks like the last four models released (or soon to be) by Canon are specialized cams. And specialized tools are for specialists, not really for the mere-mortals-hobbyists or whatever you call them.  Here's the list:
1Dc in which C is for Cinema: way above my league.
1Dx in which X is for eXtreme: badass machine good for London-OG high velocity as well as Afghanistan super-heat, above my league.
60Da in which A is for Astrophotography: sure a desirable cam for star/nebula-spotters but not my cup of tea.

And now:  5D3 or 5Dω ? Indeed, the more I read about it, the more it seems to me to be a 5Dω in which ω is for Wedding. A great camera for that. That means a tool you don’t mind paying 3,800 bucks (incl. tax) for because it will pay for itself with the awesome wed photos it will produce. Frankly, Canon should have spelled the name correctly with a 90° clockwise twist. Like for the 60Da, there wouldn’t be any fuss.

All this is until the competition boldly showed the way and made possible what was impossible just 2 years ago. I don’t care the D800. But. Technology seems to be on high gear again. Within a year we might see Uberpix cameras with pixel binning or whatever, with high-ISO/DR/res and a cold beer. If so, although built like a tank to last a decade, the 5Dω might become older before its due time. Fair enough for the pros: it will be already paid for by the wedding photos. At that price point however, it’ll become heavier and heavier in the bag of the hobbyist. And don't forget: that's when hobbyists buy in drones, that price can be made reasonable. 

So, I feel like handcuffed to a chair with a 5D3 in front of me. It looks at me with its big eye and tells me: “I’m not for you, buddy” … The wait is not over yet. Damn … 


Like any other product released by any other manufacturer, you look at the specs, the quality, and the price, and you buy it or you don't.  We have needed to upgrade to full frame for our business, and the 5D Mark III came out at the right time for us.  Does the price hurt?  Yes.  Will it be worth it compared to our 7D and 60D?  Yes.  So we bought them.  Certainly the 60Da is a highly specialized camera, and astro-photographers will (hopefully) love it.  I know many go with older crops and remove the IR filters anyway.

Honestly the 5DIII is like a new iPhone.  It's an upgrade.  Do all upgrades fit all people?  No.  If you don't have one, is it worth the money?  Yes.  It's not like Canon is in the business of jelly beans, coming out with 1,000 flavors to meet all the needs.  Instead they try and pack as many flavors into one unit as possible, to hit as many markets as possible.  It's their company, and they make their own decisions.

But honestly, it's been a month now.  You're either going to buy it or your not.  Does complaining really help any?

(The only reason I'm making a post is because I finally have my 5DIII coming in the mail today.  :-)
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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 08:18:42 AM »

blah....

So, I feel like handcuffed to a chair with a 5D3 in front of me. It looks at me with its big eye and tells me: “I’m not for you, buddy” … The wait is not over yet. Damn …

it´s dark and stormy here, that´s my excuse im not out shooting.. what´s your?
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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 08:22:03 AM »
ω is Ω = omega. When it is in a word, we pronounce it like an o.
It has nothing to do with w.

it looks like an rotated 3.... and like "w" for wedding .... that´s why he choosed it.


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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 09:13:42 AM »
You can get a 5DII if you think 5DIII is too expensive and it will be devalued sooner that later...

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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 10:43:07 AM »
I have been Canon customer since my first ESO 100, love all my lenses, own an ailing, abused 5D (my wrong) and a T2i. Now, I am in a dilemma and cannot decide for the 5D3. Some may say: “Fork out the dough, grab, shoot, and stop bother us with your moaning”. Fine.  Some others may gently share some of their thoughts.

Well, it looks like the last four models released (or soon to be) by Canon are specialized cams. And specialized tools are for specialists, not really for the mere-mortals-hobbyists or whatever you call them.  Here's the list:
1Dc in which C is for Cinema: way above my league.
1Dx in which X is for eXtreme: badass machine good for London-OG high velocity as well as Afghanistan super-heat, above my league.
60Da in which A is for Astrophotography: sure a desirable cam for star/nebula-spotters but not my cup of tea.

And now:  5D3 or 5Dω ? Indeed, the more I read about it, the more it seems to me to be a 5Dω in which ω is for Wedding. A great camera for that. That means a tool you don’t mind paying 3,800 bucks (incl. tax) for because it will pay for itself with the awesome wed photos it will produce. Frankly, Canon should have spelled the name correctly with a 90° clockwise twist. Like for the 60Da, there wouldn’t be any fuss.

All this is until the competition boldly showed the way and made possible what was impossible just 2 years ago. I don’t care the D800. But. Technology seems to be on high gear again. Within a year we might see Uberpix cameras with pixel binning or whatever, with high-ISO/DR/res and a cold beer. If so, although built like a tank to last a decade, the 5Dω might become older before its due time. Fair enough for the pros: it will be already paid for by the wedding photos. At that price point however, it’ll become heavier and heavier in the bag of the hobbyist. And don't forget: that's when hobbyists buy in drones, that price can be made reasonable. 

So, I feel like handcuffed to a chair with a 5D3 in front of me. It looks at me with its big eye and tells me: “I’m not for you, buddy” … The wait is not over yet. Damn …

That's an awesome idea! I hope you get a great camera soon!!!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 10:57:48 AM »
ω is Ω = omega. When it is in a word, we pronounce it like an o.
It has nothing to do with w.

Exactly. I thought he was asking whether the 5D3 was gonna be the last model in the 5D line, when I saw the subject header.

I confess - I thought the same thing.   :o

The 5DIII is a 'wedding camera' and so it's not for you, because you don't shoot weddings?  Let me ask:  What happens at weddings?  Anything and everything.  Posed shots and portraits, low light in the church, sometimes fast-paced action (reception dancing, kids running around), families, decisive moments, etc.  Life, in microcosm.  So, if the 5DIII is a great ωedding camera  :P  it's also a great general purpose/hobbyist/amateur camera, except perhaps for the price tag.
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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 11:13:28 AM »
ω is Ω = omega. When it is in a word, we pronounce it like an o.
It has nothing to do with w.

Exactly. I thought he was asking whether the 5D3 was gonna be the last model in the 5D line, when I saw the subject header.

I confess - I thought the same thing.   :o

The 5DIII is a 'wedding camera' and so it's not for you, because you don't shoot weddings?  Let me ask:  What happens at weddings?  Anything and everything.  Posed shots and portraits, low light in the church, sometimes fast-paced action (reception dancing, kids running around), families, decisive moments, etc.  Life, in microcosm.  So, if the 5DIII is a great ωedding camera  :P  it's also a great general purpose/hobbyist/amateur camera, except perhaps for the price tag.

Yes I completely agree ωith this.  Looks like the perfect all around camera except for the price tag.  But, ωith the thought of an investment that ωill last years to come...  I say if you want it and it's just slightly out of your budget, bit the bullet and throω it on the credit card!  I ωill noω use the 'ω' for every 'w' I ωrite from noω on..  Good stuff.  As a side note, if the 5d3 is really out of your reach, pick up a 5d2...  Still a great camera and can be had for half the price of a 5d3...

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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 11:17:16 AM »
I agree with you. The 5DmkIII can be used for general shooting of course, as NA sez, but at that price it really isn't worth it IMO for the general shooter. I can easily afford it and I'm not buying.

I think a high pixel camera would appeal more to the general shooter than anything else. Without getting into the discussion as to whether more pixels are actually needed, I suspect that it will sell.

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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 11:57:31 AM »
This reminds me a story from the Kodak Customer service unit after they released the Weekender Disposable Camera.  One of the funny but reoccurring customer calls they received were customers that were inquiring if they can use the weekenders camera during the week??  TRUE STORY!!

A wedding camera:  Seriously??

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ω is Ω = omega. When it is in a word, we pronounce it like an o.
It has nothing to do with w.

Exactly. I thought he was asking whether the 5D3 was gonna be the last model in the 5D line, when I saw the subject header.

I confess - I thought the same thing.   :o

The 5DIII is a 'wedding camera' and so it's not for you, because you don't shoot weddings?  Let me ask:  What happens at weddings?  Anything and everything.  Posed shots and portraits, low light in the church, sometimes fast-paced action (reception dancing, kids running around), families, decisive moments, etc.  Life, in microcosm.  So, if the 5DIII is a great ωedding camera  :P  it's also a great general purpose/hobbyist/amateur camera, except perhaps for the price tag.

+1 i think this is one of the great appeal of this camera which is that is can suit so many situation.  If the 1 dx was not coming soon, i would get the mkiii with my eyes closed!
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Re: And now, a bit of finicky semantics: Is this 5D3 or 5Dω ?
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2012, 10:39:16 PM »
ω is Ω = omega. When it is in a word, we pronounce it like an o.
It has nothing to do with w.

Exactly. I thought he was asking whether the 5D3 was gonna be the last model in the 5D line, when I saw the subject header.

I confess - I thought the same thing.   :o

The 5DIII is a 'wedding camera' and so it's not for you, because you don't shoot weddings?  Let me ask:  What happens at weddings?  Anything and everything.  Posed shots and portraits, low light in the church, sometimes fast-paced action (reception dancing, kids running around), families, decisive moments, etc.  Life, in microcosm.  So, if the 5DIII is a great ωedding camera  :P  it's also a great general purpose/hobbyist/amateur camera, except perhaps for the price tag.

+1 i think this is one of the great appeal of this camera which is that is can suit so many situation.  If the 1 dx was not coming soon, i would get the mkiii with my eyes closed!

Thanks for your posts guys, and to decipher my intention with the omega thing. That's what photographers are, aren't they ? Open eyes, open mind, seeing what others barely notice, twisting reality to make pass their underlying vision.

Anyway, I am not moaning. Just trying to find the key to my handcuffs. At the end, I am quite sure I'll bag of those brand-new-all-shiny-badass-totally-desirable 5Dω much sooner than later. As for the waiting, I am a bit like the fool hitting his head with a hammer: it feels so go when it's stop.

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