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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2012, 03:58:58 PM »
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- 6fps gives the shooter more time to do minor adjustments, whereas at 10fps the take rate doesn't let that happen.


You mean the camera can do minor adjustments ?
I am not able to do any adjustments while shooting 6fps in one second. I am not that fast. ;)

Maybe it's personal, but I trust the AF more on the 5D mark III.
Just my feeling, not necessary a fact.

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2012, 03:58:58 PM »

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2012, 06:35:44 PM »
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- 6fps gives the shooter more time to do minor adjustments, whereas at 10fps the take rate doesn't let that happen.


You mean the camera can do minor adjustments ?
I am not able to do any adjustments while shooting 6fps in one second. I am not that fast. ;)

Maybe it's personal, but I trust the AF more on the 5D mark III.
Just my feeling, not necessary a fact.

Panning at 6fps is easier than at 10fps for example. I believe the AF on both the 5D3 and the 1D4 are good.

Yesterday I was shooting street dancing. I did one sequence of 82 shots on the 1D4 all in were in focus. That is good enough for me to say that it is pretty good. I cannot not say the 5D3 would have got a better sequence.

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2012, 07:23:00 PM »
The 1D4 also has the ability to meter on any 8 chosen af points - rather useful for disconnected light patterns

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2012, 09:02:10 AM »
Updated my list, adding cons...

5D Mark III:
Pros:
- latest autofocus system
- smaller body size, lighter
- better high ISO performance
- better image quality
- 22 megapixels
- full frame
- better video features
- silent shutter

Cons:
- battery grip costs an extra $400 and looks ugly
- achieves 6fps only when battery is over 40-50% full

1D Mark IV:
Pros:
- built-in battery grip
- weather proofing, build quality
- faster lens drive
- 10 fps, better buffering
- 1.3x crop gets sweet-spot for lenses and extra focal length
- f/8 autofocussing
- AF point linked metering
- a lot cheaper (for a used copy)
- shutter good for 300,000 shots
- amazing battery life

Cons:
- dodgy flash performance
- silent shutter isn't very silent
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 09:05:26 AM by smithy »
5D Mark III, 40D, 1V.  Bunch of strobes, lenses and other bits.
They're, their, there, it's, its, too, to, than, then, you're, your.  One lens, two lenses, the lens's aperture.

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2012, 09:05:22 AM »
Updated my list, adding cons...

5D Mark III:
Pros:
- latest autofocus system
- smaller body size, lighter
- better high ISO performance
- better image quality
- 22 megapixels
- full frame
- better video features
- silent shutter

Cons:
- battery grip costs an extra $400 and looks ugly

1D Mark IV:
Pros:
- built-in battery grip
- weather proofing, build quality
- faster lens drive
- 10 fps, better buffering
- 1.3x crop gets sweet-spot for lenses and extra focal length
- f/8 autofocussing
- AF point linked metering
- a lot cheaper (for a used copy)
- shutter good for 300,000 shots
- amazing battery life

Cons:
- dodgy flash performance
- silent shutter isn't very silent

Dodgy flash performance???? Never heard of that nor experienced - and you are aware that I am flash fanatic  ::) ::) ::)

You left of the selectable AF point metering - VERY usefull for weddings
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 09:07:12 AM by briansquibb »

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2012, 09:08:22 AM »
There is one thing that was missed - and to me very important -

- The ability to shoot manual mode with ec which is not possible with the 5DIII
Is ec exposure compensation?
5D Mark III, 40D, 1V.  Bunch of strobes, lenses and other bits.
They're, their, there, it's, its, too, to, than, then, you're, your.  One lens, two lenses, the lens's aperture.

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2012, 09:16:50 AM »
There is one thing that was missed - and to me very important -

- The ability to shoot manual mode with ec which is not possible with the 5DIII
Is ec exposure compensation?

Yes it is - I shoot all the time in this mode - set the shutterspeed and the aperture and the auto iso sets itself. I then have exposure compensation to fine tune with

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2012, 09:16:50 AM »

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2012, 09:30:58 AM »
Dodgy flash performance???? Never heard of that nor experienced - and you are aware that I am flash fanatic  ::) ::) ::)

You left of the selectable AF point metering - VERY usefull for weddings
I thought I had the metering bit covered with "AF point linked metering".  Have I got it wrong?

After re-reading some articles, it seems that the dodgy flash performance is related to using the AF-assist beam from external flashes.  It's very slow to get focus in this mode, compared with the 5D series cameras (of all generations).

Now that I'm really getting into the nitty gritty of what I like and dislike about these cameras, one thing is becoming obvious - I don't like the physical look of the 5D Mark III, nor do I like its top rotary dial.  I can't stand the way the camera looks with the battery grip attached!  And I need a battery grip.  Does this make me shallow?
5D Mark III, 40D, 1V.  Bunch of strobes, lenses and other bits.
They're, their, there, it's, its, too, to, than, then, you're, your.  One lens, two lenses, the lens's aperture.

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2012, 09:40:25 AM »
Dodgy flash performance???? Never heard of that nor experienced - and you are aware that I am flash fanatic  ::) ::) ::)

You left of the selectable AF point metering - VERY usefull for weddings
I thought I had the metering bit covered with "AF point linked metering".  Have I got it wrong?

After re-reading some articles, it seems that the dodgy flash performance is related to using the AF-assist beam from external flashes.  It's very slow to get focus in this mode, compared with the 5D series cameras (of all generations).

Now that I'm really getting into the nitty gritty of what I like and dislike about these cameras, one thing is becoming obvious - I don't like the physical look of the 5D Mark III, nor do I like its top rotary dial.  I can't stand the way the camera looks with the battery grip attached!  And I need a battery grip.  Does this make me shallow?

Not noticed an issue with AF using flash - and I take a lot of theatre shots.

There are two sepearate things about the metering

- it will always use the AF focus point for metering
- second mode
        - Aim the spot metering circle over the area where you want a
          relative exposure reading, then press the <I> button.
       - On the right of the viewfinder, the relative exposure level will be
         displayed for the spot meter reading taken. For the exposure, the
         average of the spot meter readings will be set.

I like gripped as I take a lot of portrait orientation shots
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 09:43:41 AM by briansquibb »

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2012, 11:54:17 AM »
Yes, having the built in grip would be very useful.  Sometimes I'll be wearing a suit when I'm taking photographs, and it's bad to extend my arms over the top of the camera when shooting portrait without a grip.  Suit jackets aren't designed to stretch like that.
5D Mark III, 40D, 1V.  Bunch of strobes, lenses and other bits.
They're, their, there, it's, its, too, to, than, then, you're, your.  One lens, two lenses, the lens's aperture.

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2012, 12:04:47 PM »
Yes, having the built in grip would be very useful.  Sometimes I'll be wearing a suit when I'm taking photographs, and it's bad to extend my arms over the top of the camera when shooting portrait without a grip.  Suit jackets aren't designed to stretch like that.

The beauty of the 1d4 grip is that changing AF point is easily to hand.

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2012, 12:05:53 PM »
After re-reading some articles, it seems that the dodgy flash performance is related to using the AF-assist beam from external flashes.  It's very slow to get focus in this mode, compared with the 5D series cameras (of all generations).


I've read that the weakness of the 1D MK IV, if there is one, is low light AF in general.  I did not think its associated with the use of AF Assist.
 
Am I wrong on this?
 
I'm looking at getting one if I can negotiate the price down.  I've downloaded raw images at high ISO and decided that its close enough to my old 5D MK II at ISO 6400 that its not a issue.  My 7D would then be sold.

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2012, 12:37:49 PM »
After re-reading some articles, it seems that the dodgy flash performance is related to using the AF-assist beam from external flashes.  It's very slow to get focus in this mode, compared with the 5D series cameras (of all generations).


I've read that the weakness of the 1D MK IV, if there is one, is low light AF in general.  I did not think its associated with the use of AF Assist.
 
Am I wrong on this?
 
I'm looking at getting one if I can negotiate the price down.  I've downloaded raw images at high ISO and decided that its close enough to my old 5D MK II at ISO 6400 that its not a issue.  My 7D would then be sold.

I would say that the 5DII was better at low light AF than the 1D4

I can give you RAW images if you want at iso up to 12800

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Re: 5D Mark III vs. 1D Mark IV
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2012, 12:37:49 PM »