60D vs 7D with FF in the near future:

[87vr6]

I still stand by my previous statement... if you don't want to invest too much into a camera right now because you want a 5D MKIII or whatever it is when it comes out, then find a lightly used 5D classic... Less than a grand. Again, this is if you're set on FF... Or also for less than 1g, you could go old school and grab a 1Ds:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/800759073-USE/Canon_8068A020_EOS_1Ds_Digital_Camera_Camera.html

Canon refurbished 5DII's are 2g direct from canon (i bought one, it's flawless, I don't think it was ever used), 7D's are 1350.

[Kuscali]

So I caved and today I bought a 7D. It is on sale at Henry's and I had Mcbain's price match (both Canadian, I live in Canada). I tested out on my Tamron 28-75mm, but encountered a slight problem. @28mm f/14 their is a blob, like the (pentax K-5 stains), but at 75mm f/14 no problem, is the lens or is it camera? I would hate to already have dust on the sensor only a few hours into ownership, but I doubt it as I cannot see anything when I zoom out. I have the say though, I am shocked from the results at ISo 3200.

[Kuscali]

I looked under florescent light very close to the camera and did not see any kind of dust or stain on the sensor.

[Kuscali]

Anyone dust on the wide, not on the tele? Is this sensor or lens?

[CR Backup Admin]

Anyone dust on the wide, not on the tele? Is this sensor or lens?

Set a very small aperture, f16 or even smaller.  Take a photo of the sky or a brightly lit white wall.  You will be able to see dust on the sensor, there is always some there, its the big stuff that is objectional.

To see it directly, you need magnification, I have a 5X inspection microscope with a fiberoptic ring light, a very expensive professional model with a long focus distance.  even then, its not always easy.

[justsomedude]

Canon refurbished 5DII's are 2g direct from canon (i bought one, it's flawless, I don't think it was ever used), 7D's are 1350.

Or $1599 with the 20% loyalty rebate. 

See my quoted post from the rebate thread....

I would suggest you consider the Canon Loyalty Program.  You can take any old broken Canon camera (even a Powershot), and trade it in to Canon for 20% off their factory refurbished bodies.  That's right- ANY old Canon body (film or digital, cheap or expensive, just make sure it's 100% broken).  With current pricing, that works out to $1,087 for a refurbished 7D, and $1,599 for a refurbished 5DMKII.  Free 2 day shipping.  Local taxes apply. 

Discounted prices based on Canon Factory refurb. price list, here:  http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/subCategory_10051_10051_-1_29252

Also comes with 6 month warranty (rumors that this has been reduced to 90-days).  As for locating a broken Canon Powershot, you can score one for a couple of dollars on eBay.  Just make sure it is 100% BROKEN, with no functions whatsoever (if you are worried, just bang it with a hammer a few times).  Then just call up Canon with the broken body in hand (you'll need the serial number), have your credit card ready, and you're good to go.  1-866-443-8002 (option 2).  They'll ship you a box with prepaid shipping for returning your old camera, when your new one arrives.

Just something to consider to get some serious savings.  On another forum I follow, one user scored a refurbed 5DMKII with only 32 shutter actuations.

[Kuscali]

THe sensor must have been able to kick it off the last time, I do not see it anymore.

[Kuscali]

So I tried it at the store with another lens, no dust (actually perfect). It is the lens, and now I actually found the spot. Don't always believe the myth that it is always the sensor and never the lens.

[kubelik]

kuscali, I'll back up that one; I've got an old lens with an amazingly large piece of what looks like carpet fiber somehow caught between two of the lens elements -- it doesn't move when I move/rotate/mess with the lens.  not sure how on earth it'd get in there; it's not a weathersealed lens but still, something that big, I've got no idea how it first worked into the casing and then from there migrated to between lens elements

[Kuscali]

So I have to say I am impressed by the 7D, I thought I would get a marginal improvement at higher ISO's over the A700, but that is not that case, I am genuinely very impressed by the hi ISO performance of this camera, of course the AF is a whole different monster, I got myself thinking, I probably don't need the 5D mark III, the 7D will be technologically (AF, Image processor) ahead of the 5D, so I will stick to APS-C. So now I am thinking instead of the 11-16mm Tokina, 28-75mm Tamron, and some sort of tele. I am thinking about getting a Canon 15-85mm + 100mm f/2.