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Re: New Extensive Firmware for the Canon EOS 7D? [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2012, 01:47:08 PM »
Configurable Auto-ISO and especially minimum shutter speed, please! ;)
Exposure compensation in M-Mode w/ Auto-ISO would be nice as well.

Don't think this will happen, though.
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2012, 01:56:00 PM »
I will say: About f......g time!!
Every smaller camera that came out after 7D, had the features I miss.

"Digtal" zoom when shooting movie
Manual Audio.

I have a very special wish I don't hear a lot: A 2,35:1 mask in video mode - this must be very easy to make, and would be a cool feature.

Also, I don't get why the camera can't shoot movies more than 12 min. when my old HF100 puts 2GB chunks together without gaps.

I could also wish two different setups in video and photo mode, so you have one set of ISO, Highligt priority ect. in video and another in photo, so it's easier to shift between the two.


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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2012, 02:05:09 PM »
I would have a tremendous amount of additional respect for Canon if they did this.  We know it is at least possible by seeing what can be done with Magic Lantern hacks on similar Canon cameras.  For Canon to extend support like this to existing customers it would bring with it some much deserved loyalty from this user.

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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2012, 02:19:08 PM »
Wuld be nice to see any video help related new feature like autofocus trickle down (or up!) to the mkiii as well.
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Re: New Extensive Firmware for the Canon EOS 7D? [CR1]
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2012, 02:24:07 PM »
Focus peeking please.
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2012, 02:32:12 PM »
dear firmware fairy @ Canon, here are my three wishes:
* EV +/- correction also working in "M" mode


What do you mean by this?
If you use manual mode to set a fixed shutter and aperture, you can still use auto-ISO. Currently there is no way to set exposure compensation on how the camera decides which ISO value to pick. Definitely a nice to have for me too.
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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2012, 02:45:36 PM »
Focus peeking please.

Yes I saw this on a professional Sony once, and can't believe no DSLR has this, when focusing is so difficult!



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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2012, 02:45:36 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2012, 02:49:53 PM »
dear firmware fairy @ Canon, here are my three wishes:
* EV +/- correction also working in "M" mode


What do you mean by this?
If you use manual mode to set a fixed shutter and aperture, you can still use auto-ISO. Currently there is no way to set exposure compensation on how the camera decides which ISO value to pick. Definitely a nice to have for me too.

Oh, I see what you mean. So when shooting in manual and auto ISO the camera always shoots for dead center exposure?  That's interesting, I didn't know that. I don't use auto ISO since the upper limit is only 3200. It would be nice if we could change that.
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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2012, 02:51:49 PM »
That would be awesome to be able to set the upper and lower ISO limits for Auto-ISO on the original 7D.

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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2012, 02:54:19 PM »
Focus peeking please.
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just like Magic Lantern uses

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Re: New Extensive Firmware for the Canon EOS 7D? [CR1]
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2012, 03:27:21 PM »
Canon announced that the GPS module is going to be compatible on 7d with firmware upgrade.  So we know that a 7d firmware update is coming soon with at least that feature. I wonder if thats enought to call it "extensive".


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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2012, 03:52:17 PM »
Well, we do know that *some* type of a firmware upgrade is due out pretty soon so that the 7D can be compatible with the GP-E2.

However, I'm not holding my breath for any new features. Canon has had hundreds of opportunities to do this over the past few years, and hasn't for the most part. (The 5D2 being the big exception here.)

I agree that manual audio (it's in the 60D!), better bracketing, and an auto-ISO limit (also in the 60D) would all be nice. Also, so would the ability to change the file name, but clearly Canon believes that one is only for camera's which cost $3k+.....

Personally, I don't see what Canon's problem is with adding features to firmware. I mean, I'm not going to ditch my 7D for a 1D body just because I have some nicer features. And I think the goodwill of Canon doing something like that would actually help. (Panasonic does this with consumer cams and it's been great.)

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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2012, 04:10:48 PM »
I just bought a 7D (1 week ago) impressive performance.... very fast AF and good IQ ( i shoot mostly with 100mm f/2.8 for stills and 17-40 f/4 L for video.

My images are NOT mushy or blurry; they are very sharp (specialy with the 100mm and +7 at microadjustment settings)

Regarding the new Firmware dear ''fairy'':

1. manual control over sound
2. same
3. same
4. more than 4GB filming limit
5. MAYBE 120 fps in 640/480 format video (just for fun).

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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2012, 05:12:30 PM »
Makes sense assuming the MkII is still a ways off.  Customizable auto ISO cap, anyone?  As a 7D owner, I want this rumor to be true...

If there is one thing I vote for it is this. Setting a cap on auto ISO would be nice
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« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2012, 05:16:10 PM »
As long as we're all wishing along anyways. I wrote a blog-post on suggestions for handy video-features.

http://www.jmalmsten.com/2012/04/rumors-for-7d-firmware-update-i-have.html

Things I would like to see in a firmware update for the Canon 7D that rarely, if ever gets any mention (in no particular order):


    Oldschool film-trigger: In the olden days of small-gauge film (8 and 16mm) running time was expensive. So home-filming cameras were equipped with a very conservative feature. The camera would only record while the record-button was pressed. This made for short bursts of filming and never were we faced with the situations of people forgetting if they were recording or not. If your finger (or thumb) were pressing the button, it was filming. PERIOD. And while it's not optimal for many occasions, I would like to see some camera manufacturer provide it as an experiment. I think we would waste far less recording space with this option.
    Funky Frame-sizes:
    This might sound silly, but in todays day and age, we shouldn't be shackled to the standard 16x9 format. And sometimes we would probably benefit from some other frame-sizes. Like:
    3:4 full sensor-filming. When we want to capture the whole sensor for some reason. This would probably mean more line-kipping, but sometimes it could be useful.
    2.4:1 cropped filming. I don't know about many other people, but I find that only filming what I would get would be very intriguing.
    4:3 full sensor-height filming. Why? Well, both for filming old school academy standard ratio like they did in the olden days and also for...
    Anamorphic filming. Shoot with an anamorphic lens that with clever Pixel Aspect Ratio's automatically maps out and uses all available pixels. Which brings me to
    HOW?
    Well, I'm glad you asked. I imagine several ways. If the hardware is wired for 1920x1080 and refuses to budge for a compromise to give, like... 2232x929 2.4:1 video that has actually slightly less number of pixels per frame than a 1920x1080 frame that we now have to crop to obtain 1080x800 2.4:1 . or likewise 1660x1249 for 4:3,  while still leaving us with far more pixels to work with in the final image. If something like that isn't possible for technicalities, then maybe do:
    Funky Pixel Aspect Ratio's: In the middle ages of video the standard we had to live with was 4:3 and most of your widescreen DVD's are actually only 4:3 when you count the pixels in each direction. The magic happens when we start to mess about with the shape of the pixel. A 4:3 image with 1.33:1 pixel aspect ratio widens it to full wide-screen. But nowadays the standard is already 16:9 (or 1.77) so why not sample the image from the sensor in 4:3 and store it using the full width of the 1080p-standard using 1:1.33 pixel aspect ratios? A cinemascope sample likewise could be stretched to fit the 16:9 format using the very same 1.33:1 PAR that the DVD's used to use! Same datarates! Same everything! but in post we suddenly have quite a few more pixels to work with. We even get a slight vertical oversampling going on when we export to regular square pixels! Hooray! Or how about...
    Funky Framerates! Let's just dump the old shackle between recording-speed and playback-speed. Sometimes we just want to mess with it a bit. Sometimes we want to film a fight-scene in 22 or 20 fps, and then play it back in 24fps for a slightly sped up look. It's barely noticeable. But it can make a difference. And with the afformentioned stuff about frame-sizes I also want to put forward a proposition to crop frame to get higher framerates. Right now, the 7D is capped at 30fps in full HD mode. But what if we only shot a 1920x800p frame? Then maybe we could increase the frame-rate while keeping the data-rate in check? Maybe 1920x800p 48fps and using funky pixel aspect ratios, 1920x400p 96fps? Should look much nicer than a 1280x533 fps crop at least.
    Shutter in BOTH angles and fractions and make it lockable for projects!!!: Ok, the exclamation-marks might be uncalled for, but we have all had the problem of someone nudging the shutter and suddenly the dream-takes are unusable because it became a smeary mess or distractingly staccato for one shot. So this one is simple. Give us the option to lock the shutter at an angle in menu and then make the wheel do something else. And the greatest reason for making us able to shoot with degrees instead of fractions of seconds is that we need much less math on set to make the motion-blur match. Most of the time we want the 180degree rule. And if we lock that in the menu, that will look correct no matter what framerate we're using. Right now it's in seconds and we have to change it accordingly when we move from 24 to 60 fps recording-modes. It becomes one less thing to worry about on set. And it would make it much easier for the film-folks to just pick up the camera and shoot.
    Push-auto record button option: Now this one is a crazy one in the same vein as the old-timey film-button mentioned earlier. But hear me out. The usual manual way is normally preferred, but there are times when we just want to pull the camera out and shoot. But auto-settings tends to screw with us because as the shot progresses it will adjust accordingly. Closing aperture while panning over a window, messing with white-balance because a blue truck drove past the scene. All that fun stuff. It's fixable in post, but very time-consuming. So my proposal is to have a functionality that samples the first images, adjusts the exposure and white-balancing parameters and then locks them until the next time I press record, when it goes over the calibration again. It should be done within a fraction of a second and since it's probably in live-view already it should be able to do it while I'm not filming. Just lock it when I press the button. This would make it more suitable for run&gun-filming. And if it gets it wrong it's a steady exposure and white-balance. It's a quick fix instead of nudging keyframes to counteract the effects over time.
    Crop Marks: Just in case we don't get the other frame-related features (pff, I wish). Then at least give us USEABLE crop-marks for video. Right now there are basically none. There are some sort of crop-marks that are all basically square and they rarely help. And when filming all that goes away. The 4x4 grid actually is pretty close to a scope-crop-mark. but again it goes away. We can tape the screen for recording but some a****** made it so that the recording image is off-set vertically compared to the playback-mode.
    USEABLE peaking: It's the ultimate focus assist in my eyes. Just look at the Sony PD150's... copy that. end of entry.
    LUT's: A lot of people are using picture-profiles but find it hard to actually work with them on. Some even resort to flipping back and forth between CineStyle and a more graded look. This is unnecessary. Because, if the camera would just let us choose a style for recording and a different style for viewing it would make for far less mistakes and post-wrangling of colors.
    Project Setups: Why not have a feature that makes it so that when you want to start a new project you enter the parameters for that project. This would include shutter-settings, playback-speed, viewing and recording-styles (see LUTs above) and other stuff that is likely not to change during project. This could then be saved out to the CF-card and when a card is inserted and the Project Setup file isn't present a dialog would appear to ask if you want to A. save current project setup as a file on the disk or B. set up a new project.
    USB-interface for keyboards and other funky things:  Most cameras have USB-cables for interfacing with computers. But I have yet to see a camera that lets you hook up a keyboard to quickly input metadata. Why is this? With this we could have the camera assistant enter in current take and scene numbers as file-names or other things. Like controlling things with simple mouse-scroll-wheels. There's a lot of possibilities here.

I'm sure I come up with more as time goes on. But of course, I wouldn't be mad at them if they implemented in-camera ProRes 4:4:4 too. :)

For now, we'll all just wait and see.

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Re: New Extensive Firmware for the Canon EOS 7D? [CR1]
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