Sorry 5D3, Insufficient Value

[chrisdeckard]

Sorry, but I'm only an Apple fanboy.  And even then I'm not religious about it.

Please hurry up and sell your gear so that others can benefit from it and leave this forum then.  If you despise Canon so much, what use do you have here?

[Orion]

5DmkIII is AMAZING!

I tried my best to look at sensor scores from within the camera, but couldn't find them. AF is freakin amazing (a beast!) ISO is AMAZING! FF too!

GOD I miss the old film masters . . . if they were part of this forum, they would tell some a thing or 2 about sensor scores and what to do with them.

[stevenrrmanir]

You two jokers, NWPhil and stevenrrmanir, are pathetic!

Why are you calling yourself pathetic?

sure, are we all not pathetic?

not my fault - technology's fault!

I am not a fanboy of Canon, Nikon, Apple, iPad, uPad, etc...

I don't own Apple's Chinese junk...

I tend to have my own preferences for technology based on more than marketing.  I really don't have time and don't intend to write anymore.

My intention was to support the original poster, that yes, the 5D MKIII is insufficient for what it is at that price.

If you think it is worth it, be my guest and buy as many as you can! Only fanboys go into my toy is better than yours... whatever people... keep going at it!

[rocketdesigner]

The 3 is not for everyone.  Frankly, I've always advised people to invest heavily in glass before investing heavily in bodies. 

Speaking as someone who has the "lowly" t2i and a 60D (which someone described in this thread as a glorified rebel), I am trying to follow the above advice.

I own the 16-35 2.8L II, 24-105 f4 IS L, and just picked up the 70-200 2.8 L II from the refurb store when it was 20% off.

Also the 50mm 1.4, rather that the 1.2 L (due to its reputation as sharper than the 1.2 at wide apertures, up to f8).

Soon will be grabbing the 1.4 teleconverter for the 70-200.

[chrisdeckard]

You two jokers, NWPhil and stevenrrmanir, are pathetic!

Why are you calling yourself pathetic?

sure, are we all not pathetic?

not my fault - technology's fault!

I am not a fanboy of Canon, Nikon, Apple, iPad, uPad, etc...

I don't own Apple's Chinese junk...

I tend to have my own preferences for technology based on more than marketing.  I really don't have time and don't intend to write anymore.

My intention was to support the original poster, that yes, the 5D MKIII is insufficient for what it is at that price.

If you think it is worth it, be my guest and buy as many as you can! Only fanboys go into my toy is better than yours... whatever people... keep going at it!

And like you, I was trying to explain to the original poster what my experience was.  Since I actually own a 7D, I can speak from experience with it.  The 5DIII is so much better than the 7D in so many ways.  Perhaps it's not the huge jump above a 5DII, which may be fine for the OP.  The 7D has its own issues, and he should be aware of them.

[Jettatore]

People are upset in here.  It would be cool (and rare) if we could all be considerate of that and help each other chill out, even if it means not getting our points across.  That's seems more important.

[rocketdesigner]

People are upset in here.  It would be cool (and rare) if we could all be considerate of that and help each other chill out, even if it means not getting our points across.  That's seems more important.

I tried to change the subject and hijack the thread ... anyone have any advice on my next lens, or am I good to go???

[snowweasel]

I have had the 7D since about a month after it came out (It was my first Canon after shooting on Olympus for several years). I also purchased the 5Diii and have had it since the day after it came out. Is the 5Diii worth so much more? In my mind, yes, I don't regret the purchase in the least. That said, the 7D is still a pretty incredible camera and I intend to keep it as my backup body. If the 7D meets your needs, by all means go with it! It's certainly a more affordable price, and can get some great shots, as well as having several similar features to higher end cameras. I was ready for better low light performance and a full frame camera, though, and for that, the 5Diii is tough to beat!

[takoman46]

I think you answer your own question "Maybe I'm just a cheapskate;" What you deem a value is your limitation and that go's for all of us. To say insufficient value is only correct for you. If you don't have one or shot with one then you are speaking with absolutely no knowledge therefore your statement has no value ( not to be rude ) just the facts. I do own one, I did own the 5d2 and the 5d3 out preforms it by large margins in many areas. Bottom line is what is the need.. This camera separates the needs from the wants..

Happy Shooting !!

Well said  . I suggest that people don't pass judgement on something until they have tried it for themselves. The 5D3 is expensive and I wouldn't expect someone that has doubts or reservations to buy one just to try it. But they can rent it for a day (which won't cost an arm and a leg) or find a friend that bought one and try it out to see what it's all about .

[snowweasel]

also, per your original post, both the 10-22 and the 60 macro are incredible lenses on the 7D. I've been debating whether I'll just continue to use the 7D when I need wide angle and macro abilities, or if I can justify buying equivalent (or better) lenses for the full frame (looking at the 16-35 2.8 L and the 100 2.8 L Macro IS). This is the downside to investing a lot in EF-S lenses. Several of them are great lenses...you just have to replace them if you ever make the jump to full frame.

[snowweasel]

People are upset in here.  It would be cool (and rare) if we could all be considerate of that and help each other chill out, even if it means not getting our points across.  That's seems more important.

I tried to change the subject and hijack the thread ... anyone have any advice on my next lens, or am I good to go???

You seem to have a pretty good kit that covers most everything, unless you are looking for something on the longer end (though the TC will help with that).

If you're looking for something to help your creativity, I've been playing around with a lensbaby recently. It's pretty fun, but definitely taking some practice to get used to (I got the composer pro, as well as the edge 80 optic, double glass, and fisheye).

[bfmawhinney]

I've been an amateur photographer for a while, graduated from college, paid off my loans, and now have some expendable income.  As a T2i shooter, I've had FF envy for a long while and am finally ready to bite the bullet.  35 hundo is a big bullet to bite, agreed.  And the jump from models was disappointing.  But investing in 4-year old technology (argue what you want about Canon's "old" and "new," but consumer understanding is what's important) doesn't make sense to me.  If you bought a 5DII in 2008 for $2500, and are selling it now for $1900, that's 4 years for $600.  If I sell the 5DIII in 3 years for $3,000, that's the best rental price I can find.  5DII probably won't be worth much in 3 years...


So that's my logic. 

[Jettatore]

I've been debating whether I'll just continue to use the 7D when I need wide angle and macro abilities, or if I can justify buying equivalent (or better) lenses for the full frame (looking at the 16-35 2.8 L and the 100 2.8 L Macro IS). This is the downside to investing a lot in EF-S lenses. Several of them are great lenses...you just have to replace them if you ever make the jump to full frame.

The kit I'm putting together (remaining pieces are in transit in the mail) is a 5D Mark 1 FF and 7D crop w/16-35, 24-70, 135+ 1.4x that gives me a combination of focal ranges between 16mm and 302.4mm @2.8 and sometimes f/2.  I'm building this for photo journalism and street photography with the ability to have landscape, portrait and some wildlife shooting ability on hand as well.  I get pretty good results shooting in low light with the 7D and from what I've gathered the 5D Mark I is even a bit better.  16-35 on FF + 38.4-112 on Crop (via the 24-70), or 24-70 on FF, and 216 or 302.4 on the crop (via 135 without and with 1.4 extender), there are a few other combinations but I think you get the picture.  It gives me some options.

Would be cool if you could design a kit for what you want to shoot with the lenses you already have, you might just need to add one or swap one for another if you throw in a FF.  I'm looking forward to testing out this approach.  Have had the 7D and the 16-35 and 24-70 for a long while now and I love the results, so looking forward to the finished kit finally coming in.  I'll let you guys know how it's coming along as I adjust to it and learn it.

[rocketdesigner]

People are upset in here.  It would be cool (and rare) if we could all be considerate of that and help each other chill out, even if it means not getting our points across.  That's seems more important.

I tried to change the subject and hijack the thread ... anyone have any advice on my next lens, or am I good to go???

You seem to have a pretty good kit that covers most everything, unless you are looking for something on the longer end (though the TC will help with that).

If you're looking for something to help your creativity, I've been playing around with a lensbaby recently. It's pretty fun, but definitely taking some practice to get used to (I got the composer pro, as well as the edge 80 optic, double glass, and fisheye).

Thank you, I was hoping someone would say I am on the right track. I have paid attention to the fact that someday I WILL spend the big bucks on a FF, but until then I figured good glass is like buying good real estate ... in other words, its just a great investment.

I have thought about a lensbaby, and it seems like it might be kind of a kick to mess around with.

[Jettatore]

what is all your current gear?  NM, I saw it a few posts up, I got names confused and missed it.  Looks like a great set of stuff already.  I just got a 5D Mark 1 for $800, in the mail still, waiting impatiently like a kid 3 days before Christmas eve for it.  Might be worth consideration.  I'm not upgrading to Mark III until I can assure that it will pay for itself and make me money, and for the gigs I can manage to get in the meantime I will gladly rent that or the Mark II or some other such necessity.  I also opted for the 1.4x Mark II extender used, got it I think for $220, I looked at the charts and both had strong and weak points for the single lens I am using it for, the 135, and the difference was so minor that I just grabbed it instead of an off name brand, otherwise I would have waited because I couldn't afford the III if I wanted it and I got this cheaper than the highest rated 3rd party brand.  The 3rd party brand would have worked as well on the 16-35 and 24-70 but it would make them f/4 lenses and probably not altogether that useful for my intended kit.

On this page, if you mouse over you will see the difference between the 1.4x mkII and the 1.4xmkIII when hooked to the 135mm f/2L lens.

What I see is the center and midframe are slightly sharper (or at least more contrasty) on the version II but with a slightly different quality to the chromatic abberation reder vs. bluer.  The corners appear sharper and less distorted on the mark III.  This is probably only going to be used mostly the 7D which uses only the center of the lens, where the mark II actually seems to have a slight, but not ground breaking, edge.  I'd be happy with either, but I saved a good bit of cash that should get me a months worth of lodging where I'm headed.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=108&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=1&LensComp=108&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=3&APIComp=0

same type of link but with the settings to the 70-200 IS II, I actually think the MKII looks sharper/contrastier again but with a touch more chromatic ab that should be mostly removable and a bit more distortion that may or may not be easy to fix (perhaps can be well controlled through automation/preset?)  The distortion doesn't seem like it would affect most images though, so one might just not even care or ever notice such a thing.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=687&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=0&LensComp=687&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=6&APIComp=1