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What will be next Canon move in the area of their sensor department?

They don't care and think 5d3 sensor is fine
They will try to get next sensors from Sony as Nikon did
They will try to get sensors from another company than Sony because of some Nikon exclusive agreements
They will work harder to get better results and follow the path they do now
They will run some marketing campaign to defend the results achieved with current 5d3 sensor
They will run some marketing campaign admitting to mistake and offer some solution for future.
They will care a S___ and listen to pros who actually use cameras out in the field.

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Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« on: April 21, 2012, 08:55:05 AM »
So the battle for 5d3 image quality will continue for some time. No matter for a while whether DXO results are fine or not - the numbers are presented to the public and caused some mess anyway. People in Canon probably are not happy looking at comparisons knowing the public look at them as well and buys equipment following those summaries. So what Canon will do next do defend it's positions?
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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2012, 09:03:29 AM »
they will care a S___ and listen to pros who actually use cameras out in the field.

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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2012, 09:17:52 AM »
My impression is they're spending all their time and effort in video, and have neglected any major development on the stills performance side of the sensors.
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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2012, 09:20:28 AM »
And still it's a superb tool which is capable of more then most of us will ever need or use..

And I think this is a fact..

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2012, 09:31:50 AM »
or they will just post a link to the techradar test with a big question mark ?

and ask how two DxO test can have different results.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=5868.0

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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2012, 09:34:18 AM »
Here's something I'd generally be interested in -- but, please, only reply if you have real-world experience, and not if you're only projecting your expectations from interpretations of an unfocused high-ISO macro shot of the inside of soWmebody's lenscap you saw posted on the 'Net.

In what real-world situation does the 5DIII have insufficient image quality for the job but the D800 does have sufficient IQ? That is, when would you put down the 5DIII and pick up the D800 instead of a medium format kit?

I personally can't think of any.

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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2012, 09:50:22 AM »
My impression is they're spending all their time and effort in video, and have neglected any major development on the stills performance side of the sensors.

That's a huge misstatement. Their current video products are consider so overpriced and underspec'd that they're getting destroyed on the video forums. Nikon D800 video is even shining over the 5D3.

Canon has just slacked too hard the last few years. They lost the hunger after the success of the 5D2 on all fronts.

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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2012, 09:51:06 AM »
Here's something I'd generally be interested in -- but, please, only reply if you have real-world experience, and not if you're only projecting your expectations from interpretations of an unfocused high-ISO macro shot of the inside of soWmebody's lenscap you saw posted on the 'Net.

In what real-world situation does the 5DIII have insufficient image quality for the job but the D800 does have sufficient IQ? That is, when would you put down the 5DIII and pick up the D800 instead of a medium format kit?

I personally can't think of any.

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Ask the same question about the 5D Mark II (or any number of other cameras) and you may get the same answer.

Whether the camera does everything you need or not, Canon also has to live up to their customers' expectations. Those expectation are shaped partially by what the competition is doing.

How many people who own a Porsche have ever driven it at full speed around a corner? Does that mean that Porsche should make cars that go slower because for most people "that's fast enough"? Sure, they could. I wonder how sales would look if they did?

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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2012, 09:53:28 AM »
How many people who own a Porsche have ever driven it at full speed around a corner? Does that mean that Porsche should make cars that go slower because for most people "that's fast enough"? Sure, they could. I wonder how sales would look if they did?

exactly.... 95% of all porsche owners don´t need a porsche or could even use it´s full potential. it´s a status symbol.

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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2012, 10:40:57 AM »
In what real-world situation does the 5DIII have insufficient image quality for the job but the D800 does have sufficient IQ? That is, when would you put down the 5DIII and pick up the D800 instead of a medium format kit?
Currently I primarily use a 7D plus assorted telezooms for wildlife. Lack of reach at a reasonable quality is a limiting factor, but at the same time, I need to be ready to adapt to changing situations. Typically I'd go out with two bodies, one tele zoom, one wide zoom. I would love a high MP density FF body to use. 36MP full frame would be an acceptable minimum, although a Canon parallel would be 46MP (make the 18MP APS-C sensor bigger). Basically this would give me the same effective quality and reach as the 7D by cropping on the long end of zoom. When I don't need to crop, I can make use of the increased resolution. Also, by being a bigger sensor, the zoom just got extended 1.6x on the wide end. This would increase my flexibility significantly as I look towards longer focal length solutions. Yes, I'd trade off the fps for the increased resolution. For obvious reasons medium format is the wrong tool for this job.

e.g. using the 100-400L as an example.
On 7D: 160-640mm equivalent at 18MP
On hypothetical 46MP full frame sensor: 100-400mm at 46MP, 400-640mm effective at >18MP by cropping.

Increased resolution over most of the range, while maintaining the total reach, and more effective zoom range compared to 7D.
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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2012, 10:52:03 AM »
More and more and more superb reviews about the 5D mark iii are becoming available.
Very very good user experiences also.

But these are all users who own the camera and use the camera.

I am really sick and tired over these DXO numbers, price to high , sensor not good , Canon is a shame, etc.

Buy the 5D or not.
I am really interested in the portfolio of all the complainers , so that I can see why the 5D mark iii is not good enough and why Canon is a shame.

There is so much more to an improvement over the mark II then only the sensor and the BS DXO numbers.
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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2012, 11:15:39 AM »
More and more and more superb reviews about the 5D mark iii are becoming available.
Very very good user experiences also.

But these are all users who own the camera and use the camera.

I am really sick and tired over these DXO numbers, price to high , sensor not good , Canon is a shame, etc.

Buy the 5D or not.
I am really interested in the portfolio of all the complainers , so that I can see why the 5D mark iii is not good enough and why Canon is a shame.

There is so much more to an improvement over the mark II then only the sensor and the BS DXO numbers.


+1 Amen!

We need not go any further than CR forum. People are quietly posting away great pictures (and video) while some are going out of their way in proving 5d3 (sensor etc) is crap. btw, if guys are churning out great photos with their 'crap' 5d3 then they must be brilliant photogs and they can do magic with ANY camera.
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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2012, 11:25:02 AM »
Here's something I'd generally be interested in -- but, please, only reply if you have real-world experience, and not if you're only projecting your expectations from interpretations of an unfocused high-ISO macro shot of the inside of soWmebody's lenscap you saw posted on the 'Net.

In what real-world situation does the 5DIII have insufficient image quality for the job but the D800 does have sufficient IQ? That is, when would you put down the 5DIII and pick up the D800 instead of a medium format kit?

I personally can't think of any.

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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2012, 11:28:53 AM »
e.g. using the 100-400L as an example.
On 7D: 160-640mm equivalent at 18MP
On hypothetical 46MP full frame sensor: 100-400mm at 46MP, 400-640mm effective at >18MP by cropping.

Um...what? On a 47.6mp FF sensor (which would be the equivalent pixel density of an 18mp APS-C), if you crop the 18mp APS-C sized center of the frame...you would get the exact same effective focal length...160-640. Are you thinking about the 200-400mm with 1.4x TC? If so, that would be 320-640 effective @ APS-C crop. I'm curious where you got 400-640mm effective...
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Re: Next Canon step in the matter of their sensors
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2012, 12:00:30 PM »
In what real-world situation does the 5DIII have insufficient image quality for the job but the D800 does have sufficient IQ? That is, when would you put down the 5DIII and pick up the D800 instead of a medium format kit?


e.g. using the 100-400L as an example.
On 7D: 160-640mm equivalent at 18MP
On hypothetical 46MP full frame sensor: 100-400mm at 46MP, 400-640mm effective at >18MP by cropping.

Increased resolution over most of the range, while maintaining the total reach, and more effective zoom range compared to 7D.

So why do people bother paying thousands for EF 400 L's and above if they could simply buy 1 camera and crop in? Because of quality.  I would rather have Canon get the quality right first at 22.3. I have a 41mp medium format if I want bigger, but then medium format also has a different quality to it that the D800 can't fully replicate.  If you need to get closer, GET closer.  Stop decreasing you IQ by cropping in in post.