The ultimate 5d3 poll - What's your take on the 5d3?

[Marsu42]

Its really shame that canon did not solve the problem of banding and noise problems, check the images below DIII-D800/index_controlled-tests.html[/url]

Ugh, this is really a large difference. Maybe they got a bad 5d3, because different 7d samples are said to have variances in banding, too? However, the site says that you can compensate by ETTR'ing: "Start by overexposing by about 1 stop above the correct exposure before taking your shot and then underexpose by the same amount later in software, basically normalizing the image.". But essentially on Canon, it's more necessary to take hdr pictures than on nikon - and given a static scene, this poses no problem.

[Alker]

Its really shame that canon did not solve the problem of banding and noise problems, check the images below ..bottom images are from 5d3 and tops images are from D800. this problem present in 7D too..just for the D800 raw headroom i ll buy it. this is a IQ problem they should have solved this in a first place. even for 2700$ , ill not buy.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/index_controlled-tests.html

Yes yes yes.
We are not always do the 100% fill light and + 5 exposure

The guy from FM made many pictures with the 5D mark iii.
And when normal exposed and not pushed to extremes they are SUPERB NICE
IMAGES.

Check some here with the TS-E 24mm.
Nothing wrong is there !!!!

http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/index.html

Beautiful images.
He also wrote many positive things about the 5D mark iii.
But we don't care do we ?
We are only interested in the 100% fill light and +5 exposure.

The numbers photography what a BS

[Marsu42]

We are not always do the 100% fill light and + 5 exposure

Disclaimer: I like Canon, have a Canon and will stay with Canon. That being said, the high dr sample picture taken with bright sun and shadows is not artificially engineered to make Canon look bad, but it's an average shot that will be taken million of times. And to brighten the shadows (instead of doing hdr) doesn't need excessive pp ev raise & fill light but much more moderate pp. It's a pity the site doesn't say how much ev they raised it. But imho there is no way around this: For landscape, the d800 does have a real world advantage.

Obviously that doesn't mean you cannot use anything else than the d800: With my humble 60d and magic lantern, I'm used to take 5-7 exposures with +-0,5ev and then exposure fuse them - noise problem solved.

[Alker]

We are not always do the 100% fill light and + 5 exposure

Disclaimer: I like Canon, have a Canon and will stay with Canon. That being said, the high dr sample picture taken with bright sun and shadows is not artificially engineered to make Canon look bad, but it's an average shot that will be taken million of times. And to brighten the shadows (instead of doing exposure fusion) doesn't need excessive pp ev raise & fill light but much more moderate pp. Imho there is no way around this: For landscape, the d800 does have a real world advantage.

True, but this is blown out of porportion.

[NormanBates]

it's not a matter of "I can't live with that image quality"

it's a matter of "why should I pay $500 more for significantly poorer image quality, it should be $500 LESS!!"

[altenae]

it's not a matter of "I can't live with that image quality"

it's a matter of "why should I pay $500 more for significantly poorer image quality, it should be $500 LESS!!"

Why ?
Says who ?

Poorer image quality at pixel peep maybe.

From a very big store in the Netherlands the 5D mark iii sales are 15 till 1 in favor of the 5D.
For me the AF was well worth the price.

If you think it is to expensive then by all means don't buy it.
I wish we saw some interesting photography topics instead of this same price, sensor, blows away, canon is a shame, what were they thinking, canon lost the battle,etc,etc,etc.

[neuroanatomist]

it's a matter of "why should I pay $500 more for significantly poorer image quality, it should be $500 LESS!!"

So, that's across the board, all ISO settings, all scenes.  The 5DIII image quality is vastly inferior to the D800.  Is that really what you're saying?

[skitron]

Its really shame that canon did not solve the problem of banding and noise problems, check the images below ..bottom images are from 5d3 and tops images are from D800. this problem present in 7D too..just for the D800 raw headroom i ll buy it. this is a IQ problem they should have solved this in a first place. even for 2700$ , ill not buy.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/index_controlled-tests.html

I'm sorry but I find that comparison totally without credibility. It is either completely bogus or else Lightroom 4.1 is total cr@p. I've done shadow recovery on shots out of 50D, 60D, 5D2 with at least as dark, if even darker shadows using Capture One Pro 6 and do not see all of the noise and banding, and the shots are at higher ISO...   

[Orion]

Geez some of you gys pick a pin point of a particular image and alter images to show something that wasn;t there just to get a lok at how the shadows play in some scenes. . .

The mkIII is a total gem! Its AF is astounding . . . ISO is amazing especailly in jpg I think . . video is a no contest scenario . .mkIII rules!

Now if you all want to spend days and nights thihnkning of DR in the smallest coreners of some generic image, then go ahead . . but if you are thinkning of a more than WELL ROUNDED camera, the mkIII is without doubt the best there is. The AF on the D800 is choppy and the burst rate on the mkIII gives you more bang for your buck when paired with that AF and fps. The LCD on the mkIII is the best too, while over at Nikon they are still trying to make up their minds what colour mcast they like on the D800 v D3s etc etc etc. D800 is a great camea for the amount of MP it offers, and it is in another class in terms of res and shadow detail/DR. That is not something that willg et you a better image out in teh field where DR in any given scene is variable anyway. With the mkIII you even have in-camera DR system where it brackets for you and presents you a final image. . .  if able to do this in raw format, then yay!

The video posted over at Fstoppers shoing just how good the mkIII is over the D800 is fricken astounding! check it out, and then ask yourselves whether you want to talk about DR, shadow detail, and ISO. . .

Canon 5D Mark II vs. Mark III vs. Nikon D800 - Candlelight: High-ISO	Small | Large

this video kinda shows how the Nikon cameras are heavily biased towards bringing out the shadow detail, and it shows how that may influence DR tests in the lab ( not sure about that, though) . . remember they measured only the sensor.

[altenae]

Geez some of you gys pick a pin point of a particular image and alter images to show something that wasn;t there just to get a lok at how the shadows play in some scenes. . .

The mkIII is a total gem! Its AF is astounding . . . ISO is amazing especailly in jpg I think . . video is a no contest scenario . .mkIII rules!

Now if you all want to spend days and nights thihnkning of DR in the smallest coreners of some generic image, then go ahead . . but if you are thinkning of a more than WELL ROUNDED camera, the mkIII is without doubt the best there is. The AF on the D800 is choppy and the burst rate on the mkIII gives you more bang for your buck when paired with that AF and fps. The LCD on the mkIII is the best too, while over at Nikon they are still trying to make up their minds what colour mcast they like on the D800 v D3s etc etc etc. D800 is a great camea for the amount of MP it offers, and it is in another class in terms of res and shadow detail/DR. That is not something that willg et you a better image out in teh field where DR in any given scene is variable anyway. With the mkIII you even have in-camera DR system where it brackets for you and presents you a final image. . .  if able to do this in raw format, then yay!

The video posted over at Fstoppers shoing just how good the mkIII is over the D800 is fricken astounding! check it out, and then ask yourselves whether you want to talk about DR, shadow detail, and ISO. . .

Canon 5D Mark II vs. Mark III vs. Nikon D800 - Candlelight: High-ISO

this video kinda shows how the Nikon cameras are heavily biased towards bringing out the shadow detail, and it shows how that may influence DR tests in the lab ( not sure about that, though) . . remember they measured only the sensor.

Wow in high iso no match for the D800.
Remember there is so MUCH more to a DSLR then only the DXO numbers
So in real live the 5D and the D800 are superb. PERIOD !!!
Stop complaining and stop crying.
These are pro tools and will deliver top quality images. PERIOD !!!!

Now let's use these tools and have fun with photography instead of WHINING

[Crapking]

To those with the Mark iii and 85L.

Is the AF more accurate / faster wide open ?

5d3 85 a by PVC 2012, on Flickr


b by PVC 2012, on Flickr


c by PVC 2012, on Flickr


5d3-85 d by PVC 2012, on Flickr

Camera           Canon EOS 5D Mark III
Exposure           0.001 sec (1/800)
Aperture           f/1.8
Focal Length   85 mm (lens 85L 1.2 II)
ISO Speed   800

Not 'wide open' but AF had no trouble tracking this athlete in an underlit high school gym....

[kdsand]

Wow!

Those were some difficult / awkward poses.
 
 

[atrocious]

The noise around that right arm in the first picture is just beautiful. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8164/6960253520_8e813fa6c5_o.jpg

[sb]

My take.  I would like to have one, but cannot justify purchase unless it would make me money

This actually touches upon my own sentiment about 5DMk3 (strictly business oriented) and it's something that I haven't read on this forum so far. A lot of people here who feel positive about their Mk3 purchase, upgraded from consumer models, and I'm sure it feels like the best thing since sliced bread. But really, even Mk2 would have felt like that going from 40D.

I do earn revenue with wedding photography, and I could easily get the Mk3, but it would be the dumbest business decision I could make (and I'm only talking about myself here - other people may have different needs). As long as Mk2 earns revenue, there is no reason what-so-ever for me to get the Mk3 because, for the sake of keeping it real -  it's not a game changer. Only game changers (or breakages) truly warrant an upgrade in my opinion.

Some people see auto focus as a game changer, but to be fair - I have no issues with Mk2 auto focus. As far as IQ goes, difference is minuscule, clients can't see it, I even can't see it unless I pixel peep, I don't shoot over 6400ISO (which I'll happily do with Mk2 and nicely clean up in LR), so unless this camera could magically allow me to raise package prices to pay for itself (which it unfortunately can't), I don't see how it could warrant a $3500 expenditure.

Anyway I just wanted to change the beat a little from the usual "I'm switching to D800" Mk3 bashing.

[kbmelb]

To those with the Mark iii and 85L.

Is the AF more accurate / faster wide open ?

I haven't shot a whole lot with the combo but I would say it is definitely quicker and I never had too much issue with accuracy. If I missed the focus on a shot before I likened it to the AF didn't lock where I intended and the photo was snapped. When given the time the 85L has always been deadly accurate. All of my lenses seem zippier and lock focus faster. I have really noticed the difference with 50 1.2 in the accuracy dept.

I think the shortened shutter lag also makes it feel more accurate. It allows for less time for you to move from the time you compress the shutter button to when the image is actually captured. I did find this to be an issue shooting the mkII. With the shallow DOF at 1.2 this is a huge improvement also.