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Re: Lenses: 35L II & 85L III Next Up? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2012, 09:32:25 PM »

24-105L F4 IS II = 1999 USD or 1799 Euro Too much for a f/4 zoom since the current one is very decent.


thats why I wrote .. All completly redesigned :) ....

the 70-300L was at the beginning 1599 USD for F4-5,6 ... so I think it is not unrealistic for the 24-105 with that price.

The 70-300L lens didn't exist before (It's version 1) and it is a major upgrade for someone who has the non-L (and much cheaper) version. This price is understandable more or less.

However the 24-105 is an already decent L version. Even redesigned cannot be a major upgrade for the version 1 owners. True a little less vignetting and a 4-stop IS (but it has a 3-stop IS already) would be welcome but my point is that a second version 1K more expensive lens  wouldn't be value for money.

I gotta disagree. The 24-105L disappointed me more than any lens ever. Convenient but very average performance (1/4 price Tamron was sharper, even at FF edges).

The 24-105 has room, if any L lens has room, to improve.

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« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2012, 09:32:25 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2012, 09:33:01 PM »
What??? 40% price increase for new Canon L lenses!!!!

If Canon people is looking @ this post, i just wanted to let you guys know, forget it, im not a canonista anymore. Seriously considering selling everything and move to Nikon.  The price increase is as abusive as slavery.  They are playing the game of major petroleum & oil companies. The filthy game of speculation!!  So corrupt, evidently no commitment to customers that has been loyal to the brand for many years.

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« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2012, 09:33:32 PM »
I found my 35mm L 1.4 at the pawn shop I work at. It had been priced at only $300, because they don't know lenses well enough. I already had the same lens, but how fast did I buy this lens?? So fast it makes your head spin. Sold my old copy for $1100, and made $800 quick-like!

Whoa that is the one of the most insane deals I've ever heard, maybe the most insane!

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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2012, 09:45:04 PM »
Gas prices are double what they were 3 years ago... Bernanke has added trillions of funny money... Japan was hit with a tsunami, the Dollar has gotten much weaker than the Yen. Lens technology is not the same as computer technology. It does not get 2x better every 18 months for the same price.

I would enjoy this thread so much more if we could quit complaining about the greedy corporate fat cats at Canon and focus on the great advancements we would like to see in our favorite lenses.

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« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2012, 10:23:03 PM »
We all want stuff to be better, but don't want it to cost more.  Well, that's unrealistic.  If Canon is going to improve their cameras and lenses, they're going to expect to charge more too.  That's the way the world works.  That's what we do as photographers too.

Don't necessarily agree with the notion that everything new and updated must cost more, or at least a lot more.
 
There are plenty of products out there where new and updated versions are better and less expensive than previous versions such as the computer and TV industries.  Yes I realize its an apple vs oranges scenario when comparing photo equipment with TVs and computers.   Photo equipment holds a much better value than TVs and computers.

IMO it seems to me Canon chooses to charge the very highest price they think the market will support in effort to make a profit as opposed to charging a slightly lower price and making that same profit with higher volume of sales.    We all know Apple is very successful with this strategy, but they could increase their market share even more if they lowered their prices some.

Yes I get it, Canon is in business to make money.  I believe their primary goal is not to make us happy, but first and for most make money.  I realize they need to cover their R&D, manufacturing, tooling, and material costs.  But don't tell me some of those costs can't be carried over into the next generation of a lens or body.

I'm saving up for a 35L II in hopes of WS.  I'm expecting this lens will be priced too high and I will end up getting the current version.  As a general  rule, I think a 15 to 20% cost increase over the current is justified and I would hope Canon can still cover their costs and make a profit.

I"m not an economist or marketing person so maybe I'm missing something, but I' don't think I'm  too far off.

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« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2012, 10:37:40 PM »
How many decades ... er years I mean do we see speculations about a new 35mm 1.4L II ? I'll believe it one year after Canon announces it...
Considering the current version is already a stellar performer and certainly near to or top of the L line-up, I'd like Canon to invest their research and development elsewhere. While weather-sealing would be wonderful, in practice it isn't as big a "problem" as the issue of slow 85L II AF.

And you can bet that the price of the 35L will shoot up as the new version comes in at a premium. Start buying now, before the crazy deals pass!

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« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2012, 10:38:40 PM »
Gas prices are double what they were 3 years ago... Bernanke has added trillions of funny money... Japan was hit with a tsunami, the Dollar has gotten much weaker than the Yen. Lens technology is not the same as computer technology. It does not get 2x better every 18 months for the same price.

And I completely agree with you.  Maybe that is enough to set the prices as they are.

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« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2012, 11:56:25 PM »
Where is the damned 50 1.2 II
THAT is what I wanna know....

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« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2012, 12:33:36 AM »
I just got the 50mm 1.2L last week and I have been shooting with it since.

I haven't noticed any of the negative comments I often see being thrown around about it. I don't see a need for a mark 2 just yet. On my 5dmk3 it focuses quickly, is extremely sharp (even wide open).

1.2 is extremely shallow and does take some getting used to, but overall it is a pretty fantastic lens and I'm having a hard time discovering what so many people find faulty with this lens.
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« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2012, 12:46:40 AM »
Why? Does canon really need to replace these lenses? they are not that old.

The 35mmL was introduced in 1998.  Its not exactly a new lens,

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« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2012, 12:54:01 AM »
These are the L primes that are much older than the 85L II.

1993 EF 400mm f/5.6L USM
1996 EF 200mm f/2.8L II USM
1996 EF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM
1996 EF 135mm f/2L USM
1997 EF 300mm f/4L IS USM
1998 EF 35mm f/1.4L USM

My preference is that Canon updates the EF 400mm f/5.6L USM, EF 135mm f/2L USM, EF 35mm f/1.4L USM and then the EF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM before doing anything with the 85L II.
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« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2012, 01:11:41 AM »
Why? Does canon really need to replace these lenses? they are not that old.

The 35mmL was introduced in 1998.  Its not exactly a new lens,
I guess it is more an issue of priority. I think the 35L is a pretty reliable piece of kit and has plenty of potential left in it to satisfy most photographers needs.

1996 EF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM.
Yes! This would be nice. Canon is short on long macro lenses (short on long!?). It would be nice if they could pull the minimum focus to around the level of the 100L, while also improving the bokeh above 5.6, perhaps with 9 blades instead of the current 8.

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« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2012, 01:36:03 AM »
Nikon updated their 35/1.4.

Time for Canon to do the same, me thinks.

Why? Does canon really need to replace these lenses? they are not that old.

The 35mmL was introduced in 1998.  Its not exactly a new lens,
I guess it is more an issue of priority. I think the 35L is a pretty reliable piece of kit and has plenty of potential left in it to satisfy most photographers needs.

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Yes! This would be nice. Canon is short on long macro lenses (short on long!?). It would be nice if they could pull the minimum focus to around the level of the 100L, while also improving the bokeh above 5.6, perhaps with 9 blades instead of the current 8.
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« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2012, 03:04:41 AM »
I found my 35mm L 1.4 at the pawn shop I work at. It had been priced at only $300, because they don't know lenses well enough. I already had the same lens, but how fast did I buy this lens?? So fast it makes your head spin. Sold my old copy for $1100, and made $800 quick-like!

Whoa that is the one of the most insane deals I've ever heard, maybe the most insane!

Yeah, most of the time its opposite, they loaned too much, making the price we sell it more than it should be. I did a dbl take and looked hard for abuse. Either the person who pawned it, stole it and got away with it, was in drugs and couldn't afford to come back...I don't understand how they only loaned $150 unless they missed the difference in f-stop. I've bought overpriced stuff too, but that was an exciting day! Glad I bought it before any customers who knew phtography did. Can't know everything about everything, even in the Google/Wikipedia/EBay era.
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« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2012, 03:27:35 AM »
Canon are pushing to get all their L lenses, with the exception of the L-series TS-E lenses, updated to fully weather sealed specification.

The Tilt shifts will never be weather sealed due to their design.   All the others will be though.

Thus, the current L 35mm and 85mm will be updated again, and include weather sealing.  The 35mm will also get rounded aperture blades, which is another L-series feature that Canon are pushing, and for good reason - it creates smoother bokeh.

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« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2012, 03:27:35 AM »