Nikon D600

[briansquibb]

Good to see the 'Nikon are best' brigade are still alive and kicking on this Canon forum

[birdman]

No one with a huge investment in glass should EVER switch based on a new camera body. If that was the case, every Nikon pro would have switched to the 5d2--months before the D3X (24MP) was introduced.

Canon will counter eventually with similar DR and the likes. I like Canon's lens selection better, personally, with exception to the UWAs. Other than that, where is Nikon more dominant in terms of lens offerings?

Maybe the D600 will force the 5d3 to go down in price. I was on the D800 bandwagon myself, until I saw some amazing High ISO shots from the 5d3. If I have to reduce my image size on the D800 to match other DSLRs high ISO, how is it really comparable??

[rumorzmonger]

Nikon is probably pushing to get the D600 to market as quickly as possible, since they can probably do that a lot quicker than they can fix all the QC defects and design flaws in the D800... 

[ELK]

Jealous, aren't we?

[V8Beast]

Jealous, aren't we?

Yes, I'm so jealous that I ordered a D800, but I couldn't find anyone that had the body or the lenses I needed in stock So, I'm still a Canon guy

[Kernuak]

I don't want to hijack this thread, but just a thought on d800 vs. 5dmkiii - sales figures anyway.  People are getting all worked up about the d800 outselling the 5dmkiii.  Has anyone thought that maybe one reason could  have not that much to do with the 5dmkiii itself.  It could be that the d800 was a huge leap from the d700, whereas the 5dmkiii is not that large of a leap from the 5dmkii (no new features, just upgraded older ones).  That has nothing to do with how the 5dmkiii and the d800 compare to each other, just the Nikon was behind the times with the d700 and the upgraders were waiting for features like video and so forth.

how was Nikon D700 behind the times? what camera today can deliver 8FPS full frame with a 51pt af system for less than 2200 dollars? If that's behind the times, man what is the canon going to do!!! If anything I always respected that camera for it was doing in 2008 what canon still hasn't done in 2012. The only weakness was lack of video, and that IF you cared.
 
no sir, the NikonD800 is selling because it is the camera many of us wanted the 5DmkIII to be. That's why I ditched my canon gear for it. Many switchers are going elsewhere for resolution. It is 2012 and Canon stuck with 22MP bodies when Nikon has entry level cameras with 24MP simply explains a lot of why the NikonD800 is tracking so high on amazon relative to other full frame bodies.

I'll keep an eye on the 5Dmk4 in 2016. But until then, and after using the D800 for two straight weeks, I'm just not going back 

This D600 intrigues me. It would be prefect for a backup body if the price of 1500 dollars is true. But I was thinking of a backup D700 instead. It's such bargain and outruns even the MKIII by 2FPS.

I think you'll find that the D700 can't shoot at 8 fps either, at least not straight out of the box, A big complaint that a pro Nikon shooter I know had, that the specs of some Nikon cameras (I think he was complaining about the D300) were misleading, leading to him buying something he wished he hadn't. The quoted frame rate for the D700 is only 5 fps, which isn't much more than the 3.9 fps of the 5D MkII, when you also consider the difference in sensor resolution.
Also, the D800 also isn't for many of us who prefer low light abilities over resolution. If you want high resolution, then fine, get the D800, otherwise, for those of us in the other camp, the 5D MkIII is for us. Ultimately though, it's the bracket on the other end that makes the difference, not the camera.

[rumorzmonger]

Jealous, aren't we?

Why would anyone be jealous of a camera that's not available to purchase because the manufacturer is scrambling to fix a list of defects as long as your arm?   

[Marsu42]

Seems I was right when Canon announced the 5D3 and said that the 5D2 would drop in price to be their "entry level" dslr (that's still 2nd-most expensive currently-available camera they make).

Canon never designated the 5d2 as an entry-ff body, did they? They just produce it along until 5d3 early adopters have paid the $3500 price and the 5d3 drops. And maybe until they see what Nikon does (d600) and can react accordingly, preventing another 5d3 marketing disaster.

[stevenrrmanir]

It wouldn't surprise me at all. There have been lots of rumors here about the same thing for a long time. I would think it'd be in Canon's best interest to strike first and make it good. They certainly created room for one by moving the 5D up to $3500.

... to rape the buyers of the entry level FF for $2500...

I hope Nikon rapes Canon's arse with D600 for $1500!

Canon = Sony = losing touch with reality and customers out there...

[briansquibb]

It wouldn't surprise me at all. There have been lots of rumors here about the same thing for a long time. I would think it'd be in Canon's best interest to strike first and make it good. They certainly created room for one by moving the 5D up to $3500.

... to rape the buyers of the entry level FF for $2500...

I hope Nikon rapes Canon's arse with D600 for $1500!

Canon = Sony = losing touch with reality and customers out there...

Another person that cannot bear to type in www.nikonrumors.com ..... 

[Marsu42]

Another person that cannot bear to type in www.nikonrumors.com

But to be fair, at least nikonrumors has a ff rumor :-o ... in contrast to Canon, where people still wonder if Canon will fill the void up to $3500 only with aps-c bodies or come up with a 5d2 successor at all.

[briansquibb]

Another person that cannot bear to type in www.nikonrumors.com

But to be fair, at least nikonrumors has a ff rumor :-o ... in contrast to Canon, where people still wonder if Canon will fill the void up to $3500 only with aps-c bodies or come up with a 5d2 successor at all.

Perhaps Canon have learn't their lesson from the 1DX - anounce just before you start delivering.

The void between the 5DII and the 5DIII is filled with the used 1DS3 

[Marsu42]

Perhaps Canon have learn't their lesson from the 1DX - anounce just before you start delivering.

From a marketing viewpoint, Canon was well-advised to announce the 1dx along the d4 - I don't think they expected the last delay. And pre-announcing a product is not something bad unless it's vaporware.

Every Canon user will be happy to wait 6 month or maybe even a year for a product they wish for, the point where Canon currently screws up is to give their enthusiast customer base the feeling that their investment in the Canon ef is still a sound decision.

And unlike the pc market where enthusiasts have only a small share, there are many dlsr amateurs around who will happily thousands of hard-earned $$$ for features or iq they might not really "need". But they don't want to be ripped off and/or put themselves in a technological dead end.

Since I shoot Canon since my first eos 600, I do hope this feeling will pass quickly, though since I am/was about to get some lenses for money I don't have just "lying around" the current situation makes me think, and I guess it's ok to discuss these feelings with fellow Canon users.

[briansquibb]

Every Canon user will be happy to wait 6 month or maybe even a year for a product they wish for, the point where Canon currently screws up is to give their enthusiast customer base the feeling that their investment in the Canon ef is still a sound decision.

Are you say ef is not a sound decision? EF lens on a crop are very good - better than on a ff in most cases

[Marsu42]

Are you say ef is not a sound decision? EF lens on a crop are very good - better than on a ff in most cases

I didn't put this as precise as I should - I was talking of the whole eos system with the ef mount (bodies, lenses, flashes etc etc and 3rd party equipment that only works along with this system). Basically the reason why there only is limited competition between manufacturers, unlike say the pc where you can plug in any gfx card you want.

And being a "system", I think is important to provide every customer in every stage of photographic experience with a longer-term, somewhat competitive, adequate "off the shelf" offer w/o forcing him/her to sell equipment (ef-s anyone?). And this is where Canon is temporarily lacking, it's not just Nikon trolls, but there is/will be a gap between consumer aps-c and 5d3+24-70ii that is too wide for some. The fact that many ef lenses shine on aps-c doesn't fix that.