Magic Lantern on the 5D Mark III

[LetTheRightLensIn]

This really is good stuff. Works with no problems at all so far. FInally we have zebra and focus peaking and a better histogram! The 5D3 basic basics are now set.

I think we will get improved IPB bitrates and maybe HDMI clean and such for better coding quality and that will be the next big leap.

Once that is all done it should be quite a decent cam for video. 

Only crop modes will be lacking and those may have to wait on whether Canon wants to bother or not, if it is true that nobody can hack into and program the digic and readout.

[jcs]

When testing out peaking, I noticed the left side of the camera got pretty warm- this didn't seem to happen previously (related to ARM processor heat?). I have a laser thermometer, may look into further when I have time. Anyone else notice this?

[LetTheRightLensIn]

When testing out peaking, I noticed the left side of the camera got pretty warm- this didn't seem to happen previously (related to ARM processor heat?). I have a laser thermometer, may look into further when I have time. Anyone else notice this?

hmm I did feel the camera getting hot, I was thinking it was just because I was doing video, although it did seem perhaps a bit hot for so little time, not sure though hmm

[verysimplejason]

I know they had problems with the dual processors ... there's a long explanation on the website.  Maybe they've overcome things.

No, they haven't  - ml doesn't run on dual-digic cameras (1dx, 7d) and all attempts to start user code have failed. But fortunately the 5d3 is single-digic only and very close to the 5d2.

EDIT: The ml alpha for 5d3 is out :-) .. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=2602.0

ML runs on dual digic cameras with g3gg0's hack finally but it's still on testing phase.  Just wait a moment and you'll find ML running in 7D and 1DX.

http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/7D_support

[Marsu42]

ML runs on dual digic cameras with g3gg0's hack finally but it's still on testing phase.  Just wait a moment and you'll find ML running in 7D and 1DX.

Imho the moment will take several month because the dev focus is the 5d3 at the moment, and that'll be some time because there seem to be some unexpected regressions w/ the new digic5 cpu. And for ml to run on the 1dx you'll have to donate or lend one to the devs :->

hmm I did feel the camera getting hot, I was thinking it was just because I was doing video, although it did seem perhaps a bit hot for so little time, not sure though hmm

Peaking is one of more cpu-intensive things to do (depends on the algorithm you select in the menu), so as w/ running video you might feel the camera getting warmer. But it's been tried so many times by so many people there's really no reason to worry.

[KurtStevens]

So is the alpha worth downloading?

[Marsu42]

So is the alpha worth downloading?

If you are ok w/ running a ml pre-release on your 5d3 - of course, many main features are already there (zebras, peaking). The most important thing now is to report regressions/bugs back to the ml forum, alex just changed the feature set for the alpha2 (will be here shortly) because of some far-in-between freezes he couldn't reproduce. That's why I'm always saying it'll be a while before a final 5d3 version will arrive.

[verysimplejason]

ML runs on dual digic cameras with g3gg0's hack finally but it's still on testing phase.  Just wait a moment and you'll find ML running in 7D and 1DX.

Imho the moment will take several month because the dev focus is the 5d3 at the moment, and that'll be some time because there seem to be some unexpected regressions w/ the new digic5 cpu. And for ml to run on the 1dx you'll have to donate or lend one to the devs :->

hmm I did feel the camera getting hot, I was thinking it was just because I was doing video, although it did seem perhaps a bit hot for so little time, not sure though hmm

Peaking is one of more cpu-intensive things to do (depends on the algorithm you select in the menu), so as w/ running video you might feel the camera getting warmer. But it's been tried so many times by so many people there's really no reason to worry.

I believe Alex is doing the 5D3 but g3gg0 is doing most of the work for 7D.  As for 1DX, I think somebody will lend it eventually.  I don't know but I get the feeling that the 1DX hack will include making it into a 1DC.  If this is a probability, some guys in the movie industry will certainly sponsor this.

[Marsu42]

I believe Alex is doing the 5D3 but g3gg0 is doing most of the work for 7D.  As for 1DX, I think somebody will lend it eventually.  I don't know but I get the feeling that the 1DX hack will include making it into a 1DC.  If this is a probability, some guys in the movie industry will certainly sponsor this.

From what I see in the mercurial logs, g3gg0 does the low-level stuff, but other people (mainly alex) do the programing. And did I mention I personally added focus bracketing to the current ml trunk :-) ... it's great programing your camera, that's why I don't want to switch to Nikon.

Concerning 1dx/1dc: If someone really hacks the 1dx and backports the 1dc firmware, ml imho will be in real trouble because Canon will change the "ignore" policy to "hostile". So I could do w/o 1dc features on the 1dx, I cannot afford one anyway. Magic Lantern is a community project to beef up low- to midrange dlsr, not saving money for rich people.

[LetTheRightLensIn]

So is the alpha worth downloading?

absolutely

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I believe Alex is doing the 5D3 but g3gg0 is doing most of the work for 7D.  As for 1DX, I think somebody will lend it eventually.  I don't know but I get the feeling that the 1DX hack will include making it into a 1DC.  If this is a probability, some guys in the movie industry will certainly sponsor this.

Concerning 1dx/1dc: If someone really hacks the 1dx and backports the 1dc firmware, ml imho will be in real trouble because Canon will change the "ignore" policy to "hostile". So I could do w/o 1dc features on the 1dx, I cannot afford one anyway. Magic Lantern is a community project to beef up low- to midrange dlsr, not saving money for rich people.

You could be right (unless they end noticing 1DX selling, suddenly, many multiple times more, enough to make up for the insane 1DC profit margin, I suppose that is a possibility). ('m sure a 5D3 could sell more than enough times extra to make up for C100, we'd have to see about a 1DX though).

[verysimplejason]

I believe Alex is doing the 5D3 but g3gg0 is doing most of the work for 7D.  As for 1DX, I think somebody will lend it eventually.  I don't know but I get the feeling that the 1DX hack will include making it into a 1DC.  If this is a probability, some guys in the movie industry will certainly sponsor this.

Concerning 1dx/1dc: If someone really hacks the 1dx and backports the 1dc firmware, ml imho will be in real trouble because Canon will change the "ignore" policy to "hostile". So I could do w/o 1dc features on the 1dx, I cannot afford one anyway. Magic Lantern is a community project to beef up low- to midrange dlsr, not saving money for rich people.

You could be right (unless they end noticing 1DX selling, suddenly, many multiple times more, enough to make up for the insane 1DC profit margin, I suppose that is a possibility). ('m sure a 5D3 could sell more than enough times extra to make up for C100, we'd have to see about a 1DX though).

+1.  or maybe if somebody can get the 1dx work like 1dc without exactly copying the source code from 1dc, canon won't have a problem with ML.  I mean ML is currently running beside the canon software.  Of course this is pure hypothesis, but what if?

[Marsu42]

canon won't have a problem with ML.

Canon *will* have a problem with ml if ml isn't helping their sales as a unannounced big feature but makes people not buy the 1dc. I gather Canon will make this position clear one way or another, and I hope the main ml devs will make it as clear that they do not want to cause Canon losses or profit from hacking the 1dx.

[verysimplejason]

canon won't have a problem with ML.

Canon *will* have a problem with ml if ml isn't helping their sales as a unannounced big feature but makes people not buy the 1dc. I gather Canon will make this position clear one way or another, and I hope the main ml devs will make it as clear that they do not want to cause Canon losses or profit from hacking the 1dx.

Isn't it that ML is just running beside Canon's software?  It's not modifying the code or any hardware.  Right?  It's just like some software running inside your OS.  E.g., if I make a program that runs in Windows and uses the intrinsic OS commands like showing the clock time, even hacking into memory management, does that make my program illegal?  For me 1DX can be looked at as platform.  Why do you think Sigma, Tokina, Tamron and Samyang were able to make those 3rd party lenses?  They even had to reverse engineer the way the lens is communicating with the body.  Isn't this a higher form of hacking into the system?

If I read it right, another reason why Canon is differentiating 1Dx and 1Dc is that tax laws in some countries are different for stills and movie and even the size of the output for movie cameras.  Of course you can't discount the fact that they will earn more through introducing a different software for the same hardware.  That's why I'm looking at ML like an open-source 3rd party software something like JAVA. 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I believe Alex is doing the 5D3 but g3gg0 is doing most of the work for 7D.  As for 1DX, I think somebody will lend it eventually.  I don't know but I get the feeling that the 1DX hack will include making it into a 1DC.  If this is a probability, some guys in the movie industry will certainly sponsor this.

Concerning 1dx/1dc: If someone really hacks the 1dx and backports the 1dc firmware, ml imho will be in real trouble because Canon will change the "ignore" policy to "hostile". So I could do w/o 1dc features on the 1dx, I cannot afford one anyway. Magic Lantern is a community project to beef up low- to midrange dlsr, not saving money for rich people.

You could be right (unless they end noticing 1DX selling, suddenly, many multiple times more, enough to make up for the insane 1DC profit margin, I suppose that is a possibility). ('m sure a 5D3 could sell more than enough times extra to make up for C100, we'd have to see about a 1DX though).

+1.  or maybe if somebody can get the 1dx work like 1dc without exactly copying the source code from 1dc, canon won't have a problem with ML.  I mean ML is currently running beside the canon software.  Of course this is pure hypothesis, but what if?

However they did it or with what code they woudn't care so long as it gave it a nice 4Kish or quality like the 1DC they might get uppity about it all. (unless, again, the 1DX then flew off the shelves like madness, then they'd learn something)

(although they didn't lock things down on the original Rebel after the unlock)