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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2012, 08:48:13 AM »
Tested today:
Mk II vs Mk III sharpness: Carl Zeiss ZE 100 and 50 MP @ f 4, Av, 1/45-50, LV focusing + shot, 2sec delay release, ISO 100, RAW, Neutral PS, no sharpening during RAW import into Aperture, same export setting for JPEG.

Can't find any difference. Initially I shot only once and imported both files onto my MBP. Looked at them and noticed a slight advantage to the 5D2. Then, I decided to do five additional shots for each with refocusing and average the findings - imported them into my MacPro and looked on the big screen - no difference. The initial impression was mis focusing.
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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2012, 08:48:13 AM »

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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2012, 09:01:33 AM »
The full scene in case someone asks
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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2012, 09:02:36 AM »
The 50 MP
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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2012, 09:12:08 AM »
Mark III and 50MP
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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2012, 09:30:45 AM »
The MarkIII went 1/45 at f/4 and the MarkII went 1/50 but came brighter, don't know why.
Both exposures changed 2/3 stops between LV metering and standard metering. Don't know why. This was a surprise to me, I went to Manual at 1/60 for both and f/4 and between VF and LV metering there was 2/3 stop EV difference.
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My Manual shots are unfortunately at home now. Results are unequivocal for me: the debate "softer or not softer" should end here. Both Marks are nearly if not the same to me.
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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2012, 10:26:23 AM »
Yeah, I just hadn't taken it out of the box before as I never intended to use it.

But here's the updated shots:



Wow, Adobe needs to get their act together.....

Thanks viggo for your post and findings.  You give me hope!  Actually you made my day!  I had the same feeling of softness in the mkiii i tried to the point where i returned it.  Back then i thought LR would solve the problem but my image too were still soft with it!  While i returned my unit to patiently wait for the 1dx, i had not tried the new version of dpp because i thought adobe lr 4.1 was the 'correct' representation for this camera.

Tonight i will download the new version of dpp and reprocessed all the raw from the mkiii i save to see if i get the same result as you guys.  This makes me hopeful!  Boy it is weird how adobe could have been so off with the converter for this camera...how could that be?

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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2012, 04:31:41 PM »
Yeah, I just hadn't taken it out of the box before as I never intended to use it.

But here's the updated shots:



Wow, Adobe needs to get their act together.....

Thanks viggo for your post and findings.  You give me hope!  Actually you made my day!  I had the same feeling of softness in the mkiii i tried to the point where i returned it.  Back then i thought LR would solve the problem but my image too were still soft with it!  While i returned my unit to patiently wait for the 1dx, i had not tried the new version of dpp because i thought adobe lr 4.1 was the 'correct' representation for this camera.

Tonight i will download the new version of dpp and reprocessed all the raw from the mkiii i save to see if i get the same result as you guys.  This makes me hopeful!  Boy it is weird how adobe could have been so off with the converter for this camera...how could that be?

Jacques

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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2012, 04:31:41 PM »

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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2012, 04:49:58 PM »
I did not know that!  I was assuming they knew what they were doing but obviously i was wrong in this case.  Just because they support it does not mean it works!  Just did not make sense that canon would release a camera like the mkiii with soft image compared to the mkii.  Cant wait to reprocess all my raw with the new version of dpp.  There is hope after all!   ;D
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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2012, 05:15:16 PM »

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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2012, 01:25:44 PM »
Well i was able to reprocess all my raw file from the mkiii using the latest dpp instead of LR 4.1 and this was indeed the source of the softness issue i was experiencing.  The image all became razor sharp using dpp, some of them even more so then my mkii!  The only down side for me for now is i still prefer the workflow from lightroom compared to dpp so i really hope adobe will update their raw converter.

Even the shots i thought were sharp from the mkiii before were improved using the latest dpp...  Thanks viggo...
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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2012, 02:05:26 PM »
I'm really starting to believe LR blows chunks. Here we have soft images clearly due to LR and in the other thread we have abysmal shadow recovery for 5D3 at the FM site yet I recover similar shadows in 5D2 shots using Capture One 6 and see none of the artifacts and get very pleasing results.
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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2012, 02:36:19 PM »
Well i was able to reprocess all my raw file from the mkiii using the latest dpp instead of LR 4.1 and this was indeed the source of the softness issue i was experiencing.  The image all became razor sharp using dpp, some of them even more so then my mkii!  The only down side for me for now is i still prefer the workflow from lightroom compared to dpp so i really hope adobe will update their raw converter.

Even the shots i thought were sharp from the mkiii before were improved using the latest dpp...  Thanks viggo...

You're very welcome! And it wasn't all my idea, but it's great to get it out there so other people becoome aware of such things!

Let's hope Adobe really does their stuff, and fast.
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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2012, 02:37:41 PM »
This is pretty enlightening! 

Question--has anyone done a similar DPP to LR comparison to 7D images?  I know that there have been a myriad of discussions on softness with the 7D and I'm curious if those come down to the software as well.

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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2012, 02:37:41 PM »

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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2012, 02:41:38 PM »
I'm really starting to believe LR blows chunks. Here we have soft images clearly due to LR and in the other thread we have abysmal shadow recovery for 5D3 at the FM site yet I recover similar shadows in 5D2 shots using Capture One 6 and see none of the artifacts and get very pleasing results.

Hmm, that's interesting about the shadows.. Are you able to do a shadow recovery with a 5d2 file with both Capture One and Lr?

Maybe this is the reason Adobe cut the price in half? They want to sell CS6....
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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2012, 03:48:15 PM »
I just took a picture outside of my home, using spot metering photographing the bright rocks out in the sun compared with the harsh shadow of a covered walk way. I opened it in DPP (just updated) and saved it as a TIFF. I then took it into photoshop and did a "highlight/shadow" adjustment. With Shadows boosted to 100% like this I am getting an almost perfectly clean shadow. I will try to post pictures later.  I even went in later and dodges the hell out of the darkest area(the only part that had banding noticeable 100%) and I could extend it even more.

I think you might be suprised if you try this.

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Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?
« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2012, 03:48:15 PM »