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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2012, 05:41:45 PM »
My lens showed up today! Took some shots with it- seems to be a great lens but there is certainly a learning curve to macro photography, particularly when it's windy outside!  :o

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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2012, 07:14:04 PM »
Have a look at the 100 2.8LIS Macro

+1.  The 100mm macros would give you more creative flexibility for your foliage/flower shots than other choices.  The 100L has IS and is more suited for general photography than the non L 100mm macro.  I would not recommend any of the 85mm variants because portraiture is not your primary interest.

+2 on this, while i really also recommend the sigma f1.4 85mm too i have both lenses and the 100 f2.8 macro is amazingly sharp and has the benefit of also being  a macro lens so it can do alot
its super fast to focus and the IS on this is incredible, put it this way you can shoot at the same shutter speeds as the 85 f1.4 at 1.4 even though you are shooting at 2.8 (obviously this wont account for motion blur)

since you are shooting off a crop you arnt going to get the true benefits of an 85mm focal length lens so 85mm isnt going to give the same feeling it does on full frame.

both lenses are the smae price basically
the 100L also has weather sealing too which may be a consideration
It's well worth having a look at
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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2012, 09:21:25 PM »
100L is macro. It's new. It's stellar. Fast AF. It has latest IS. It's sharp as.
People here like this lens for very valid reasons. Get one.

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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2012, 09:39:40 PM »
If you are still considering the EF 100 2.0 lens, I have both it and the 100L.   I bought the 100 2.0 a couple years ago as my first baby step up from EF-S lenses to use at the time on my t2i.  I got it for the fast aperture and the good image quality that most of the reviewers noted.  I have been extremely pleased with the image quality of the lens, it is virtually as sharp as the 100 2.8 L Macro and given the bigger aperture can even give you a better bokeh effect in some cases.   I have seen some purple fringing on the edges of a few shots near wide open in high contrast areas but LR or DPP effectively removes that.  One semi-drawback of the 100 2.0 is it's relatively long minimum focus distance (2.8'), but prior to getting the 100L Macro, I found using a set of Kenko extension tubes gave me a pretty good proxy for a macro lens, just no IS.  After getting the 100 L Macro with it's great image stabilization system, I hadn't been using the 100 2.0 as much in mediocre lighting conditions due to my desire to keep the ISO lower on the t2i  to minimize noise.     As you can tell from my handle, I do a lot of flower photography and absent a tripod when in shady light, I didn't have quite steady enough hands to use the 100 2.0 at the stopped down apertures needed to get entire flowers in focus. In good light or with a tripod, however,  I got some great shots with the 100 2.0, both semi-closeups and distant landscape shots.    Now that I have a 5D Mark III, with its much much lower noise at higher ISO's , I find I am using the 2.0 in all lighting.  The full format sensor is also providing even better bokeh on large aperture shots compared to what I got with the crop sensor t2i.   Here's a hand held shot I took this evening with the 100 2.0 on my 5Dm3 in very poor light due to heavy overcast. Took it at f 2.0 ,  ISO was 800.  This is a crop of about a half of the original frame.   

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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2012, 10:18:26 PM »
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If you are still considering the EF 100 2.0 lens, I have both it and the 100L.   I bought the 100 2.0 a couple years ago as my first baby step up from EF-S lenses to use at the time on my t2i.  I got it for the fast aperture and the good image quality that most of the reviewers noted.  I have been extremely pleased with the image quality of the lens, it is virtually as sharp as the 100 2.8 L Macro and given the bigger aperture can even give you a better bokeh effect in some cases.   I have seen some purple fringing on the edges of a few shots near wide open in high contrast areas but LR or DPP effectively removes that.  One semi-drawback of the 100 2.0 is it's relatively long minimum focus distance (2.8'), but prior to getting the 100L Macro, I found using a set of Kenko extension tubes gave me a pretty good proxy for a macro lens, just no IS.  After getting the 100 L Macro with it's great image stabilization system, I hadn't been using the 100 2.0 as much in mediocre lighting conditions due to my desire to keep the ISO lower on the t2i  to minimize noise.     As you can tell from my handle, I do a lot of flower photography and absent a tripod when in shady light, I didn't have quite steady enough hands to use the 100 2.0 at the stopped down apertures needed to get entire flowers in focus. In good light or with a tripod, however,  I got some great shots with the 100 2.0, both semi-closeups and distant landscape shots.    Now that I have a 5D Mark III, with its much much lower noise at higher ISO's , I find I am using the 2.0 in all lighting.  The full format sensor is also providing even better bokeh on large aperture shots compared to what I got with the crop sensor t2i.

Awesome, thanks for sharing your experience. Interesting to hear you mention that both 100s have similar sharpness levels- that's not what I saw when I tried them out a week ago...then again, the 100 2.0 lacks IS so perhaps that was part of the reason. Do/did you find the focus on the 100 2 relatively accurate/quick?

My primary use of the 100 2.0, like I mentioned, would be sports & fast-paced events where it would be impractical to take the 70-200 2.8 (or I REALLY need the extra stop). The 100L now fills the flower/macro/occasional portrait need. Since I'm using a 60D, 100mm would provide just enough reach provided I'm in the front/second row. I find it a bit long indoors, however. Got a 35mm and a 17-55 for that.

I just received the 100L today (as mentioned above) and tried it out. Seems to work great, although I probably should try again on a slightly calmer/sunnier day. Here's one shot I managed to get:

(EXIF: EOS 60D, 100L Macro, f11, 1/160s, ISO 2000)

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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2012, 11:05:38 PM »
I have done a series of comparison shots at mid-distances, a wooden picket fence with lots of grain detail, and distant shots at a nearby mountain park.  I have done this for all my lenses, on a tripod, self timer, etc so taking my shaky hands out of the equation. I shoot each lens at a range of apertures, using both viewfinder AF, and Live View AF.    On those tests I can't see any difference to speak of between the two 100 mm lenses, both are very sharp across the entire frame.  It did seem that on my t2i the 100 2.0 would once in a while be just a smidgen front- focusing as I sometimes would get a little sharper on large aperture shots using Live View focusing.   When I got my 5d Mk III, I bought a Lens-Align unit at the same time and tested all of my lenses.  Both 100 mm lenses were spot on.  The 24-105 kit lens that came with the 5D Mk 3, however was off at the long end.  Even with AFMA  applied to that lens, at 100 it has nowhere near the IQ as the two 100 primes.  The 100 2.0 is faster to focus than the 100 2.8L macro, probably due to the lesser total focus range.  It is also very quiet focusing.    I think you may have hit on a possible explanation for your initial impression of the lens' sharpness - using a pretty high shutter speed (1/250 or more) is what I found I needed to be sure to 'take the shake out' using handheld, which is more than the rule of thumb would say you needed for this lens; ie 1/160th  on a crop sensor camera.  The shot I attached earlier was 1/1000 second. 

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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2012, 11:45:14 PM »
Interesting. Good to know!

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  It did seem that on my t2i the 100 2.0 would once in a while be just a smidgen front- focusing as I sometimes would get a little sharper on large aperture shots using Live View focusing.

I used to have a T2i before I "upgraded" to the 60D which I now love. I think that camera had a serious front-focusing problem- it seemed any fast lens I used/tried with it seemed to be off a bit- very inconsistent as it would front-focus in one shot, be fine the next, then exhibit slight backfocus in the 3rd. Maybe it was just my camera rather than the T2i model, but I find the 60D to be notably better in terms of focus accuracy (not perfect though).

I couldn't tell for sure, but I thought there may have been a SLIGHT back-focus with the 100 2 with the camera I tested it on at the store (also a 60D).

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The 24-105 kit lens that came with the 5D Mk 3, however was off at the long end.  Even with AFMA  applied to that lens, at 100 it has nowhere near the IQ as the two 100 primes.

I have the 24-105 as well, and it definitely appears that the 100L can resolve more detail off buildings than the 24-105L can at 100 (I have not done a side-by-side comparison, but I was amazed at the quality from the former lens). But the 24-105 has been a fine lens for me. Maybe I have a good "copy" (or whatnot), but I have been pleased with it. For me, it is a great walk-around "compromise" lens. Good range, decent reach at 105 (too short for animal photos however), constant f4 aperture beats the 3.5-5.6 you typically get from consumer all-purpose zoom lenses, good IQ that you don't get from the 18-55 kit lens, and most importantly, it has IS. If I know what I'm going to shoot I usually go for a more specific lens, but hard-pressed to find a better all-around than this one.

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The 100 2.0 is faster to focus than the 100 2.8L macro, probably due to the lesser total focus range.  It is also very quiet focusing.    I think you may have hit on a possible explanation for your initial impression of the lens' sharpness - using a pretty high shutter speed (1/250 or more) is what I found I needed to be sure to 'take the shake out' using handheld, which is more than the rule of thumb would say you needed for this lens; ie 1/160th  on a crop sensor camera.

Ah, that makes sense. I went back and looked at the EXIF info from my test shots with that lens. Most were taken at 1/160s (which I would think would be fast enough, but apparently not). For sports I'd likely be going much higher than that anyway. Occasional meet & greets should they come up, though- might have an issue getting a steady image. I suppose flash + high ISO would be needed to compensate.

The 100L does have a switch on it to limit its focus range should you need to use it for general photo shooting (such as a portrait session, perhaps)...tested this out today and the focus is much faster, much more responsive like this. Left on "full", sometimes it can hunt through the entire range and slow down the process dramatically.

Again, thanks for your feedback, greatly appreciated!
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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2012, 01:04:29 AM »
I'd love to hear from someone who does have the 100 2- or perhaps even the 135L to hear impressions.

I have owned the 100 f/2 for about 8 years.  I bought it with the intention of shooting a band playing in a club in China (the band members were friends of mine.)  I was still shooting film at the time with an EOS 10S.  I had a couple of goes at shooting in this environment without much success before buying the 100.  I got the 50 f/1.4 at the same time, as part of an experiment to see if I preferred primes to zooms.

Reviews of this lens spoke very favorably about it's lack of flare compared to the 85 f/1.8, and my experience seemed to confirm that the 100 is good in this respect.  I got some really nice shots in very low light with decent contrast and no flare issues.  My copy seemed sharp on the 10S and the AF worked fine (although I may have used MF in the club due to the lack of light.)

Since then I have not used the lens extensively, and not at all on my recently acquired 5D2.  After catching the L bug I have mostly focused on zooms, with the exception of the 300 f/4 IS (which I really like.)  This thread may encourage my to dig this lens out again and see what it can really do.  Its not that I really disliked using primes, but I got tired of constantly swapping lenses since I had only one body. :P

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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2012, 01:45:58 AM »
About the combo 100mm Macro + 2.0 100mm - I have it, I like it, I use it:

  • 100mm Macro as walkaround for nature photography (landscape, macro (shure!)) with the benefit not to be limited in terms of close up capabilities.
  • 2.0 100mm - as mentioned of other participants of this thread - to work without drawing attention.

I hate to own redundant equipment (except for backup) and owning both lenses is definitely a doubling in terms of focal range -  but not in terms of application ranges!

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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2012, 06:19:50 AM »
Regarding the 24-105 as compared to the two 100 primes,  my biggest complaint is lack of sharpness near the edges of the full frame on the 5DM3. I'd guess the outer 20-25% of the image, regardless of aperture shows slight fuzziness when pixel peeping at 100%, whereas both primes are sharp to the edge if stopped down just a little.  On the t2i crop frame the 24-105 is much better, taking those edges out of the imaged area.  Center image quality on both cameras approaches the sharpness of the primes.   The edge sharpness improves on my copy once you get under about 50mm, so it's a good wide angle landscape lens, but at least on the full frame, it leaves something to be desired at the higher end of the focal length range if you need the entire image to be sharp. Don't get me wrong, it is still a good lens, but I guess I got spoiled having the two primes before I got it. 

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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2012, 02:33:55 PM »
Yeah...I guess I can see how since I've always used a "crop" camera. Have no desire of going FF any time soon since I prefer the extra reach I get with the 1.6x camera, particularly with a telephoto like the 70-300 where 300 gives you pretty good reach in a compact package.

I try to avoid changing lenses "in the field", so I usually determine what it is I wish to shoot, then pick the appropriate lens before I go out. This means I usually pick zoom lenses since it means more flexibility, but fixed focals do have their advantages too, as I'm finding out.

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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2012, 08:37:32 PM »
I had the 24-105, I hated it. It had that extending zoom that the hood attached to. Got rid of it and returned to the 24-70, much better and sharper.

The 100L is much sharper than people seem to think...seems that most of those people are "measurebators" and only care about the numbers. In reality, it is a very versatile lens, especially with the proper lighting technique:


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Re: Seeking lens in the 85-100mm range
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2012, 12:25:35 AM »
I have the 100 non L and if I could only have a couple lenses that would be one of them.  It is incredibly sharp, and I do mean incredibly sharp.  It also has a beautiful bokeh, and almost gives a semi tiltshift look.  It's not just used for macro shots, but that is why many people buy it.

I haven't used the L version, but I couldn't justify the extra cash for IS.  In macro, IS is often times useless because your subject is moving - bug, flowers in the wind, etc.

In terms of sharpness, its incredible.  Maybe the L is sharper, but the non L is so sharp that it doesn't even matter at that point in my opinion.

I use it all the time for portrait shots and general use.  And having the ability to take macro shots opens new doors that are simply not possible with other lenses.

This set below is all with the 100mm, and every shot is at 2.8.  I just did the entire set at 2.8 to give all the shots the same feel.  They are sharp wide open, and believe me, at f/4 and smaller it is amazing how sharp the images are.

http://www.k2focus.com/cities/detroit/packard-plant/

My recommendation is the 100 macro non L.
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