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D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« on: April 30, 2012, 10:40:35 PM »
For those of us who remain a little envious of the D800's sensor (and I already know there are those who could care less), is it the superior dynamic range of the D800 sensor, the superior resolution of the D800 sensor, or both?

I ask because, for me, it is strictly the dynamic range that I covet.  Being able to pull clean shadow detail out of total darkness is a big deal for me.  As for the extra megapixels, I would rather have better low light sensitivity if I had to choose.  It would be disappointing if Canon looked at the many D800 v. 5D3 discussions and concluded that any dissatisfaction on the part of Canon users is due to the disparity in resolution.  That's not it.  Not for me.  But I wonder to what extent that is true for everyone else.  Thoughts?

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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 11:14:00 PM »
For those of us who remain a little envious of the D800's sensor (and I already know there are those who could care less), is it the superior dynamic range of the D800 sensor, the superior resolution of the D800 sensor, or both?

I ask because, for me, it is strictly the dynamic range that I covet.  Being able to pull clean shadow detail out of total darkness is a big deal for me.  As for the extra megapixels, I would rather have better low light sensitivity if I had to choose.  It would be disappointing if Canon looked at the many D800 v. 5D3 discussions and concluded that any dissatisfaction on the part of Canon users is due to the disparity in resolution.  That's not it.  Not for me.  But I wonder to what extent that is true for everyone else.  Thoughts?

I agree that greater dynamic range would be best. More DR has no downside, with more MP you have to deal with bigger files. I would love more DR at all iso's not just low. But yea, that d800 shadow recovery is AMAZING.
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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2012, 11:26:39 PM »
Canon will "take away" nothing, nada, zilch, UNLESS their sales numbers suffer on a significant scale, period. 

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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 11:34:38 PM »
DR should almost always take the cake. To be honest, IMO, 12 MP is perfect as far as resolution goes. The original 5D, D3, D3s... they all had it right. Hell, I shoot my Mk II on sRAW (10 MP) constantly. I've never once had a lust for more resolution and my images run in print every day.

Thank God the Mk III didn't up the resolution - at least for the work I do.

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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 11:44:28 PM »
Canon will "take away" nothing, nada, zilch, UNLESS their sales numbers suffer on a significant scale, period.

Exactly. Sales figures speak much louder than tech geeks complaining online. Most people threatening to switch systems won't do it. Those that do jump ship to Nikon for DR purposes will be offset of Nikon D700 users jumping ship to Canon since they were expecting a baby D4, but instead got a camera with triple the resolution and a slower burst rate.

The D800 is a mighty fine camera, so if DR is such an important factor that it warrants switching systems, just do it and call it a day. That seems to make more sense than living in denial and/or complaining incessantly :)

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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 12:29:02 AM »
Canon will "take away" nothing, nada, zilch, UNLESS their sales numbers suffer on a significant scale, period.

I agree 100%.

And because of the pent up demand for a 5D2 successor, I suspect it will be some time before the difference between the 5D3 and D800 starts to impact sales.

Even then, the area where I think it will have most impact is for those choosing their next camera. They've got an APS-C or smaller camera and want to move to full frame. Or they want to jump in full frame to start with. Either way, it'll be those that don't yet have any real binding to Canon in terms of lenses that can sit back and say "Which system do I want to buy into?" This is where Canon made hay with the 5D2 - lots of new people bought into it. Will the same happen again? No - their challenge now is to convince all of those 5D2 owners to upgrade to a 5D3.

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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 02:05:59 AM »
I definitely do not need the 36mp and agree that the dynamic range comparison between the D800 and Hasselblad H4D in shadow recovery was quite impressive. But I still wouldn't trade my 5D3 for a D800. The low light advantage and AF system is solid gold in value to me. If the 5D3 had the same or better dynamic range than the D800, then the D800 would be nothing more than a 36mp door stopper in my opinion.

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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 02:59:56 AM »
For those of us who remain a little envious of the D800's sensor (and I already know there are those who could care less), is it the superior dynamic range of the D800 sensor, the superior resolution of the D800 sensor, or both?

I ask because, for me, it is strictly the dynamic range that I covet.  Being able to pull clean shadow detail out of total darkness is a big deal for me.  As for the extra megapixels, I would rather have better low light sensitivity if I had to choose.  It would be disappointing if Canon looked at the many D800 v. 5D3 discussions and concluded that any dissatisfaction on the part of Canon users is due to the disparity in resolution.  That's not it.  Not for me.  But I wonder to what extent that is true for everyone else.  Thoughts?

both but more the dynamic range (especially since more MP would cripple the FF frame rate a bit and since Canon won't do, for whatever reason, APS-C and APS-H crops at higher speed, that would be a huge knock for a high MP Canon, although it shouldn't be since nothing stops them from making faster crop modes, of course maintaing it at FF is even nicer)

so both, definitely want more MP and more DR, but at this point I'm not willing to give up 6fps for more MP and I'll take the more MP as soon as they can be delivered at 6fps.

rather a shame the 5D3 didnt get to D4 levels of DR, that would've been some camera

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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2012, 03:24:25 AM »
If we look back at the past couple of years, it is clear that overall Canon has improved on most of the top complaints about the 5D2. More FPS, better AF, better low light capability and better sealing. DR was also mentioned, but overall it was drowned by other issues. Perhaps it was taken for granted that they will improve it upon the 5D2 or it can be argued that the AF for instance should have been better to begin with but in the end it does seem that the most vocal requests were answered.

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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 04:15:39 AM »
For me: DR, DR and DR are the most important aspects of a camera.

I like to shoot contra light (macro, landscape) and I would like to have clean 16 bit DR to avoid HDR fiddeling.

If I look at 12 x 16 inch prints from 10MP images (40D) there is absolutely enough resulution just in 10MP. Light, lens and exposure have much more to do with visual sharpness of images than MP on the sensor!
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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 04:52:48 AM »

both is nice to have... - but more important for me is definately the resolution!!
my wishlist:
the excellent 5dIII body with:
32-42 MP(i think that´s the absolut MAX you get out of the best L-lenses), +DR, low ISO performance!, 1/400 flash sync.

please soon :)

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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 06:11:35 AM »

and not to forget: 16bit raw output.
to get even closer to MF.

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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 06:38:13 AM »
work an the analog digital converter.

reduce the read noise to get better dynamic range.
reducing read noise will be good for pushing shadows too.


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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2012, 06:51:25 AM »
Canon has to be future proof: if the Mark III had the DR of the Sony Exmor what would they sell you in four years? A wise parent always reserves part of the presents for the next occasion...
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Re: D800 v. 5D3 threads: What should Canon's takeaway be?
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2012, 06:55:20 AM »
Canon will "take away" nothing, nada, zilch, UNLESS their sales numbers suffer on a significant scale, period.

Yep, nichts, rien, niente.

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