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Re: LR4.1 RC to blame. Check this out!
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 07:10:40 PM »
Great work!  8)

Really hoped this would be a reason.
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 07:17:09 PM »
In another thread it was brought to my attention that increasing luminance NR in LR does help quite a bit with the noise in the shadow.

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2012, 07:18:44 PM »
Aren't you worried about getting arrested for that graffiti on the wall. :)
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2012, 07:21:26 PM »
I was wondering if anyone has any clue if Aperture has the same issue?

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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2012, 07:39:45 PM »
In another thread it was brought to my attention that increasing luminance NR in LR does help quite a bit with the noise in the shadow.

Yes, in all fairness to Adobe, I found ACR to do a very nice job...if you play with the sliders. Which brings us back to the FM blog. The credibility flies out the window in my book when you post something like that based on *default* slider settings. I mean after all, it's a *slider* for a reason. Of course none of this diminishes the stellar performance of the D800 but it is just plain goofy IMO to post a blog like that.
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2012, 07:46:31 PM »
Err... is this the same camera we know and love ???

If it turns out that LR is the problem with DR in the 5d3 (and Canons before it?) then we need to throw our weight on Adobe to find out what the problem is. I know for sure there's NO WAY I could push anywhere near that amount out of the shadows on the 5d2. I now wonder if it's LR or the cameras!?

(and I've always loved LR so much :(  )

+1! I certainly hope that this hasn't been a problem with earlier Canon's and that they will do a very thourough fix with the acr supporting 5d3. I can't ever start to use DPP, it's like wiping your a$$ with the other hand suddenly...

+2...i hate the workflow with dpp...really hoping for LR to fix their converter
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2012, 08:01:46 PM »
Out of interest, I wonder what dxo is like? I presume they use their own engine for dxomark? Or have missed something?

Looks like they use the actual sensor data...

They don't do any conversion at all, they take that element out of the equation, they just look at the RAW data as is without any sharpening or NR or demosaic or anything done to it at all.

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2012, 08:35:30 PM »
DPP has always been far better for canon raws than lightroom in my opinion. I first came across that with my 40D.

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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2012, 08:42:39 PM »
Let me be the idiot to say that I don't see the problem here. As a crop shooter I would love to bring that much out of the shadows.
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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2012, 09:24:18 PM »
Let me be the idiot to say that I don't see the problem here. As a crop shooter I would love to bring that much out of the shadows.

Thats because there is no problem   ;)

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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2012, 11:20:00 PM »
I was wondering if anyone has any clue if Aperture has the same issue?

Im wondering the same thing. Maybe someone that uses both LR4 and Aperture 3 can do the test and see.

If it does actually turn out to be the same as LR4 then it could prove to a degree that its a canon issue, if the results are not the same though it would suggest that it is a software issue. You get what i mean.

Basically more tested platforms the more points of reference and a better chance of getting a definitive result.

We wait to see if anyone can be bothered.

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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2012, 11:49:13 PM »
I have Aperture 3.

If Matt wants to put up the original Raw file from the original post then I'll happily have a little play around with it and post my results.

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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2012, 12:04:15 AM »
What were the shot parameters in terms of sharpening and NR? DPP applies these automatically, so when the photo was processed and saved as TIFF/bitmap, this is effectively similar to applying NR in LR and exporting a TIFF back into the catalog before playing with it. Right? Don't mean to be pessimistic, just want to make sure I have the facts straight.

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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2012, 12:19:51 AM »
What were the shot parameters in terms of sharpening and NR? DPP applies these automatically, so when the photo was processed and saved as TIFF/bitmap, this is effectively similar to applying NR in LR and exporting a TIFF back into the catalog before playing with it. Right? Don't mean to be pessimistic, just want to make sure I have the facts straight.

I cancelled my D800 order after seeing the low light video samples. Would love to see the 5DM3 excel at stills as well, but I'm cautious.

I can get some similar results out of LR with some messing with the luminance noise reduction. I will say I am still using LR to edit the photos over DPP because 99% of the time I am not pushing the shadows much and DPP is really crappy to use. banding does seem to be better using the DPP method.

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« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2012, 01:46:53 AM »
Matt, very interesting stuff. I agree with another poster, put that original file up for everyone and let eople test it on their diff software programs to see which handles it best. I am also curious about Capture one and how it handles things as it is compatible with the 5dm3 and LR isn't really. Its been a month and a half and Adobe LR still can't get the 5dm3 images optimized...That's Bunk!
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