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« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2012, 02:22:19 AM »
Guys as far as I know Canon still hasn't released the 5D3 SDK! Something weird is going on - all the delays, issues, etc. Best camera I've ever used but I can't shake the feeling Canon was waiting until August to release it until Nikon forced its hand. Never mind - at least the camera will get better with time :)

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« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2012, 02:38:46 AM »
Same very good results with Corel AfterShot Pro 1.0.1.10 which supports 5DMk3.

Raised the shadows till the max - no problem with shots at ISO 100 shoot in sun (contre-jour). Ok, for nit-pickers there is very very very low noise. And this without any other Noise Reduction/Post Processing adjustment.

But if one use one (or more) NR/PP engines from AfterShot the results are (almost) perfect - especially using Noise Ninja Lite and Perfectly Clear (both embedded in AfterShot).

Taking in account that it is a very good, very fast, mature and relatively cheap program (in fact it is the old Bibble 5 which Corel purchased) I'd recommend it over LR.

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« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2012, 02:52:30 AM »
I will put the Original Raw file up, but, I am not sure how to upload the actual .CR2. I have never had to do this, anyone wanna let me know?

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« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2012, 03:06:00 AM »
So I read in the EOS bodies for stills forum that DPP handles the RAW files far better than light room. So to test this, I took this photo outside of my apartment with a bright texas sun off of white rocks and a nice dark shadow in the covered hallway. I opened the photo with DPP and just saved it to Full tilt TIFF. I then opened the photo in CS5.5 and Duplicated the background layer. On this new layer I adjust the shadows and highlights to 100% on the shadow slider. I also brightened the "X" even further using the dodge tool set to shadows and 100 exposure.

Let me blow your mind a little.



AND......




obviously these could not have been taken by a 5D3............. ::) ::) ::)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbicephotography/ here is my photostream so you can go look at the pictures at full size. I think LR4.1 RC certainly works better with Nikon.


Hope this turns 100% true, can't wait to get home & try it. I have been following the D800 DR threads with a frown >:( as thoughts of converting started to creep....

Thanks a million!! ;D ;D  I'll focus now on getting my replacement 5DM3 with 70-200 2.8 (double rebate!!)

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« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2012, 03:54:50 AM »
I will put the Original Raw file up, but, I am not sure how to upload the actual .CR2. I have never had to do this, anyone wanna let me know?


1. Go to www.sendspace.com
2. Press "Browse"
3. Choose your file (press Ok + Upload)
4. Wait for the file to upload. At the end the site will give you a link. Press "Copy" to copy the link on the clipboard.
5. Paste the link here.

HTH :-)

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« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2012, 04:32:40 AM »
I just found this article that relates to the topic.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/1205103502/extreme-contrast-edits-in-lightroom-4-and-acr-7

It is quite dramatic what is possible!
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« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2012, 04:50:52 AM »
I guess from my perspective, while I hope this is true, I'm not sure it will turn out to be. I do wonder whether DPP automatically adds a truck load of NR to the shadows for one thing...

Anyway, we'll see :)

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« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2012, 05:10:30 AM »
I see alot of debate with LR not being able to handle 5D3 raws well..and ACR seems to be the same.
However, for some reason i can't install DPP on my macbook..just doesn't run and i don't have LR4..i only have Aperture…i wonder if Aperture also suffers the same "softness" as LR and ACR?

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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2012, 05:37:41 AM »
so has someone done a test with LR, DPP and Photoshop he can show?

i would like to see images with NR off and pushed shadows and the best result you could achive with tweaked NR.

im very curious to see if fredmirandas results where because of an flaw in LR or not.

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« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2012, 07:16:27 AM »
This isn't a very good test because you have nothing to compare it against.  You need to take a D800 and do the same shot and run it through the same process.  Then you'd be able to tell if the 5D3 DR is better or worse than the D800 and whether LR has bug that limits shadow recovery from the 5D3.  Also, DXO tests do not use LR to measure DR.  Finally don't tell me that LR did 5D2 files fine, but suddenly can't do 5D3 files properly.
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« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2012, 07:47:43 AM »
I see alot of debate with LR not being able to handle 5D3 raws well..and ACR seems to be the same.
However, for some reason i can't install DPP on my macbook..just doesn't run and i don't have LR4..i only have Aperture…i wonder if Aperture also suffers the same "softness" as LR and ACR?

Did you try downloading the latest version of dpp for Mac from the Canon site?  (version 26 I beleive)
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« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2012, 07:52:11 AM »
I just found this article that relates to the topic.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/1205103502/extreme-contrast-edits-in-lightroom-4-and-acr-7

It is quite dramatic what is possible!


You are right that in theory it is prety amazing when you can do with LR4.  The problem with LR4 at this time is that while it does support 5D mkIII file, it can yield soft image.  So far only version 26 of DPP seem to be working fine with mkiii raw file.

I dont want to change my workflow and I am using LR4, so I am really crossing my finger for Adobe to update their RAW engine for the mkiii and the 1dx in their next issue.
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« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2012, 08:10:58 AM »
This isn't a very good test because you have nothing to compare it against.  You need to take a D800 and do the same shot and run it through the same process.  Then you'd be able to tell if the 5D3 DR is better or worse than the D800 and whether LR has bug that limits shadow recovery from the 5D3.

Comparing a 5d3 with a d800 would tell you nothing more than we already know - either the d800 is great or the d800 is great when processed through lr and the 5d3 isn't.

To be able to tell anything, you'd need to run the 5d3 through dpp, which obviously it won't do.

I do wonder at the moment if it's not a case of noise reduction in the shadows. The shadows from the OP seem clean but fairly lacking in detail...

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« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2012, 09:45:03 AM »
This isn't a very good test because you have nothing to compare it against.  You need to take a D800 and do the same shot and run it through the same process.

this is not about the D800.. it´s about lightrooms RAW conversion of 5D MK3 files.
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« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2012, 09:46:50 AM »
so MattBice.... can you do the conversion in LR too?
to compare the noise in your image when processed with LR or DPP.

i will try it myself when im at home.. but there are still 6 hours of work ahead of me.  ::)
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