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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2016, 04:53:12 AM »
I'm really glad to see the 1DXII got touchscreen and DPAF. Hopefully this means now that the flagship model has it the 5D MKIV will get it. And if the 5 gets it the 6D MKII almost certainly will. I wonder if they'll add wifi though. That one seems to be harder to predict. I want to say yes it will based on nothing more than a coin toss! Resolution wise it makes sense to keep it lower than 30 but more than 22 (obviously) but since megapixels aren't what this camera is all about and the 5Ds takes care of that need, I predict a modest increase to around 24MP.
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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2016, 04:53:12 AM »

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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2016, 05:09:59 AM »
I'd like to see a smaller body similar to the current 6D.  There's plenty of real estate there to maintain all the current buttons and wouldn't mind removing one or two now that more than likely we'll have a touch screen.
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I know where you're coming from, but not on a camera designed to be used in anger. Once  you're under pressure and you've got sweaty hands the larger size is an advantage ! Same with larger lenses. The 6D is great for smaller lenses but I find its unbalanced when you start attaching something like the 70-200 or 100-400 etc. personal preference of course.

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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2016, 05:18:40 AM »
I'd like to see a smaller body similar to the current 6D.  There's plenty of real estate there to maintain all the current buttons and wouldn't mind removing one or two now that more than likely we'll have a touch screen.
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I know where you're coming from, but not on a camera designed to be used in anger. Once  you're under pressure and you've got sweaty hands the larger size is an advantage ! Same with larger lenses. The 6D is great for smaller lenses but I find its unbalanced when you start attaching something like the 70-200 or 100-400 etc. personal preference of course.

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With that being said I honestly believe the the 6D range is where swivel screen belongs, and not the on the 5D series.

If the previous/current generation of 1D and 5D bodies are an indication. The next 5D is probably going to be toned down 1D with slightly more resolution. Hopefully with an integrated flash RT controller.

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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2016, 07:55:18 AM »
28Mp just fine. Those who think it's too much please switch to 22Mp from the menu.
Touch-screen, yes please (non-articulated)
9fps digic6+, maybe.
Plus some goodies from the 1DX2 (same AF?)
4K, who cares (brides can't tell the difference)

The real issue here is sensor IQ. How much better can you get (fm.Mk3)? What type? Stay tuned.
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5D MkII, 15/2.8, 24/1.4L II, 50/1.2L, 50/1.4, 70-200/2.8L II, 2x-II

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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2016, 08:51:43 AM »
Now that the 1Dx2 specs are out and some initial preview reports are trickling in, I'll refine my original 5D4 predictions.

- 28mp sensor
- High ISO performance 0.5 to 1 full stop less than 1Dx2 (still pretty fantastic though)
- A single Digic 6+
- Resulting in 7fps max
- Proper support for UDMA7 and fast XQD - NO CFast
- No 4k video - better FullHD codec up to 60fps with DPAF
- AF will be 1Dx2-like except only a small cluster of points will support AF at f/8.
- Flippy touch screen LCD
- LP-E6N Battery

So in short, a significant upgrade.

Agree completely and really hope that list is correct, I'd be a very happy camper

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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2016, 10:25:36 AM »
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- Proper support for UDMA7 and fast XQD - NO CFast

Hmm. Interesting.

Choices:
CF + CF (too much space)
CF + CFast (also too much space?)
CF + SD
CF + XQD
SD + CFast
SD + XQD
CFast + XQD


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- No 4k video - better FullHD codec up to 60fps with DPAF

If it is DIGIC 6+, it will be 4K capable.

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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2016, 02:22:59 PM »
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- Proper support for UDMA7 and fast XQD - NO CFast

Hmm. Interesting.

Choices:
CF + CF (too much space)
CF + CFast (also too much space?)
CF + SD
CF + XQD
SD + CFast
SD + XQD
CFast + XQD


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- No 4k video - better FullHD codec up to 60fps with DPAF

If it is DIGIC 6+, it will be 4K capable.

Ah didn't read that bit correctly so on re-reading CF + SD (UHS-II compatible)



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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2016, 02:22:59 PM »

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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2016, 03:07:15 PM »
Full frame DPAF CMOS
25.6 MP
7.4 fps (5fps in "silent" continuous)
Same 61pt AF system as 1D-X Mark-II
Same touchscreen LCD as 1D-X Mark-II
Built-in GPS
8bit DCI 4K, 24/25/30p (Mjpeg)... clean HDMI out
Slot 1: CFast 2.0 ... this offers speed for 4K and good buffer performance
Slot 2: SD (U3/UHS-II) ... this offers cheap high capacity media for jpeg/mRAW/sRAW

I hope CFast is implemented in lower tier models as well. (e.g. 6D mark-II / 80D)
It would be nice if these models include 4K 60p bursts even if just for 1 or 2 seconds. These would be marketable features and the economies of scale (for card manufacturers) can help lower the cost of CFast. If they can forecast higher sales then they can reduce price at least for medium sized cards
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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2016, 04:00:15 PM »
First, XQD is a sony technology.  I am skeptical that Canon will ever adopt it. 

Full frame DPAF CMOS
25.6 MP
7.4 fps (5fps in "silent" continuous)
Same 61pt AF system as 1D-X Mark-II
Same touchscreen LCD as 1D-X Mark-II
Built-in GPS
8bit DCI 4K, 24/25/30p (Mjpeg)... clean HDMI out
Slot 1: CFast 2.0 ... this offers speed for 4K and good buffer performance
Slot 2: SD (U3/UHS-II) ... this offers cheap high capacity media for jpeg/mRAW/sRAW

I hope CFast is implemented in lower tier models as well. (e.g. 6D mark-II / 80D)
It would be nice if these models include 4K 60p bursts even if just for 1 or 2 seconds. These would be marketable features and the economies of scale (for card manufacturers) can help lower the cost of CFast. If they can forecast higher sales then they can reduce price at least for medium sized cards

There are some pretty good lists floating around.  I think we should not forget that there are likely two more FF bodies coming in the next 12-16 months, the 5DIV and 6DII.  So not everything needs to be dropped into the 5DIV.  I am actually hopeful that the 6DII becomes an enthusiast/prosumer beast. 

Canon does a good job of tailoring their cameras to a core market.  The 5DIII was wedding/event photographers.  I hope that target market does not change, but it might.  If that stays the same, I suspect a lot of the above specs are pretty close.

Video (not that I personally care, but many "wedding/event" shooters would):
I wonder if Canon thinks they need 4K or not?  I can see 60 fps at 1080p being sufficient. 
If 4K, then CFast, if 1080p, CF.
Touchscreen and DPAF---both make sense as nice improvements
The 1DxII has 8-bit, but I wonder if we might see 10 bit video?

Still photography:
1Dx II AF.  EV -3 (maybe lower?).  I hope to get the f/8 AF at all points, but that might not happen.
7-8 fps
24-26 MP

I think the flipscreen ends up in the 6DII and not the 5DIV.


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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2016, 06:43:31 AM »
I have a 5D mk1 and 7D mk1. Quality video is more important than 4K. As a minimum it should have 1920 x 1080 at 60 fps.

Since Panasonic GH4 have variable frame rate from 2 fps I would definitely like that in 5D or 6D.

This would push me off the fence:
- 24MP +
- 1920 x 1080 at 60 fps (120p would be nice)
- variable frame rate
- Articulated LCD (not that important)
- Integrated WIFI (important)

I really miss live view in my 5D mk1, and a 5D with WIFI and variable frame rate would make me run to the store.

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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #70 on: February 05, 2016, 10:08:35 AM »
I have a 5D mk1 and 7D mk1. Quality video is more important than 4K. As a minimum it should have 1920 x 1080 at 60 fps.
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60fps does not make quality video.

4:2:2 colour and a higher bitrate make quality video.

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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #71 on: Today at 12:21:25 PM »
First, XQD is a sony technology. 

XQD is a Compact Flash Assn technology. Sony is a member. So is Canon. So are Nikon, Fuji, Blackmagic, Leica, and a host of tech companies.
Some Canon, some Nikon, some Sony, some Olympus

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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
« Reply #72 on: Today at 01:53:07 PM »
I have a 5D mk1 and 7D mk1. Quality video is more important than 4K. As a minimum it should have 1920 x 1080 at 60 fps.
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60fps does not make quality video.

4:2:2 colour and a higher bitrate make quality video.

No. Talent makes quality video. Lots of quality videos shot on iPhones and such. Lots of crap shot on pro cinema cameras. Just like stills. Talent trumps everything.
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Re: What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?
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