September 30, 2014, 06:23:07 AM

Author Topic: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800  (Read 9294 times)

EvilTed

  • Guest
Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« on: May 05, 2012, 01:06:09 AM »
Who'd have guessed it?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/00-new-today.htm

Me thinks he read all the crap we wrote about him on here, but regardless, you have to give him some props for speaking out in favor of the 5D MK3 over the D800 where it matters - taking pictures :)

"The shooting experience is more important to me than technical image minutiae. If you worry more about test charts and pixels, the D800 wins, but if you're more concerned about getting the shot in the first place and how the image looks on the LCD, the 5D Mark III wins."

Ken, maybe you're not so dumb after all?



ET

canon rumors FORUM

Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« on: May 05, 2012, 01:06:09 AM »

rj79in

  • Guest
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2012, 02:35:34 AM »
He's not saying anything we didn't know ... anyhow, who cares  :P

plutonium10

  • Canon AE-1
  • ***
  • Posts: 75
    • View Profile
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 03:13:28 AM »
If Ken Rockwell praises a piece of Canon equipment, it MUST be good.  ;D
EOS 7D | EF-S 15-85 IS USM | EF 70-300 L IS USM | EF 100 L IS USM Macro | Gitzo GT2531 | Arca-Swiss Z1

rj79in

  • Guest
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 03:16:21 AM »
If Ken Rockwell praises a piece of Canon equipment, it MUST be good.  ;D

He he ... maybe there is some sinister motive of Ken behind it ... long live conspiracy theories  ;D

kbmelb

  • Rebel T5i
  • ****
  • Posts: 131
    • View Profile
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2012, 03:19:32 AM »
In his ISO comparison of a bunch of cameras, that included the D800 and 5DmkIII, The D800 image is nicer at 200 (I assume 100 too but he didn't test it) but by 400 the mkIII starts to look similar (maybe better?) even with it being interpolated up to 36MP. It is definitely the cleaner sharper image of all he tested after 400. Obviously he didn't push them to see what the shadow detailed offered. From what I have seen of the D800 images on the web, the extra detail the 36MP offers definitely helps define the detail in the shadows and it appears it controls color (noise) blotchiness better, almost as if it desaturates it, where the 5D3 in comparison doesn't (reducing color noise in post does a lot without losing much detail) and then it doesn't have resolving power of the 36MP. I know the D800 is better (at lower ISOs) but man folks are really cutting the 5D3 short in my opinion.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2012, 03:22:03 AM by kbmelb »

PeterJ

  • 7D
  • *****
  • Posts: 342
    • View Profile
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2012, 03:30:03 AM »
He he ... maybe there is some sinister motive of Ken behind it ... long live conspiracy theories  ;D
After a few recent threads maybe he's been checking his web referrer logs and seen a sudden influx from CR, his growing family are probably on caviar and lobster every night by now ;).

plutonium10

  • Canon AE-1
  • ***
  • Posts: 75
    • View Profile
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2012, 03:39:01 AM »
He he ... maybe there is some sinister motive of Ken behind it ... long live conspiracy theories  ;D
After a few recent threads maybe he's been checking his web referrer logs and seen a sudden influx from CR, his growing family are probably on caviar and lobster every night by now ;).

Haha. I had forgotten all about his growing family.
EOS 7D | EF-S 15-85 IS USM | EF 70-300 L IS USM | EF 100 L IS USM Macro | Gitzo GT2531 | Arca-Swiss Z1

canon rumors FORUM

Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2012, 03:39:01 AM »

Marsu42

  • Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II
  • *******
  • Posts: 4660
  • ML-66d / 100L / 70-300L / 17-40L / 600rts
    • View Profile
    • 6D positive spec list
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2012, 04:12:21 AM »
"The shooting experience is more important to me than technical image minutiae. If you worry more about test charts and pixels, the D800 wins, but if you're more concerned about getting the shot in the first place and how the image looks on the LCD, the 5D Mark III wins."

... but he goes on saying he likes the 5d3 better mostly because the removal of external af controls on the d800 is a "ergonomic backstep" from the d700, so the 5d3 is the only thing left to like. However, I can concur with the general thought: I got the 60d in spite of the d7000 having better specs because I like the 60d's usability better (and it's cheaper and running magic lantern).

plutonium10

  • Canon AE-1
  • ***
  • Posts: 75
    • View Profile
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2012, 04:38:19 AM »
... but he goes on saying he likes the 5d3 better mostly because the removal of external af controls on the d800 is a "ergonomic backstep" from the d700, so the 5d3 is the only thing left to like. However, I can concur with the general thought: I got the 60d in spite of the d7000 having better specs because I like the 60d's usability better (and it's cheaper and running magic lantern).

I can't stress how much I LOVE the ergonomics of Canon's newer cameras. It's fun shooting with my 7D because the layout is just natural and comfortable. I'm sure most Nikonians would say the same about their cameras. ;D
« Last Edit: May 05, 2012, 04:40:30 AM by plutonium10 »
EOS 7D | EF-S 15-85 IS USM | EF 70-300 L IS USM | EF 100 L IS USM Macro | Gitzo GT2531 | Arca-Swiss Z1

bornshooter

  • 5D Mark III
  • ******
  • Posts: 703
  • Love L series glass
    • View Profile
    • my flickr
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2012, 04:55:18 AM »
In his ISO comparison of a bunch of cameras, that included the D800 and 5DmkIII, The D800 image is nicer at 200 (I assume 100 too but he didn't test it) but by 400 the mkIII starts to look similar (maybe better?) even with it being interpolated up to 36MP. It is definitely the cleaner sharper image of all he tested after 400. Obviously he didn't push them to see what the shadow detailed offered. From what I have seen of the D800 images on the web, the extra detail the 36MP offers definitely helps define the detail in the shadows and it appears it controls color (noise) blotchiness better, almost as if it desaturates it, where the 5D3 in comparison doesn't (reducing color noise in post does a lot without losing much detail) and then it doesn't have resolving power of the 36MP. I know the D800 is better (at lower ISOs) but man folks are really cutting the 5D3 short in my opinion.
iso 100 is not available on most nikon's

Astro

  • Guest
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2012, 07:57:21 AM »
i am worried... if ken rockwell likes the 5D MK3 then there must be something seriously wrong with the camera.

i bet the color saturation is way to strong on the 5D MK3 or it is shooting only small jpg files even when you have selected fullsize RAW.

plutonium10

  • Canon AE-1
  • ***
  • Posts: 75
    • View Profile
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2012, 09:02:52 AM »
i am worried... if ken rockwell likes the 5D MK3 then there must be something seriously wrong with the camera.

Indeed. I sense a disturbance in the force.
EOS 7D | EF-S 15-85 IS USM | EF 70-300 L IS USM | EF 100 L IS USM Macro | Gitzo GT2531 | Arca-Swiss Z1

DanielW

  • Canon 70D
  • ****
  • Posts: 250
    • View Profile
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2012, 09:07:26 AM »
When I first started reading the posts here (not long ago), I was a bit surprised to see that people here (everywhere?) don't like Ken. I always liked to read his reviews, funny at times, and like the way he speaks what he thinks in a simple way -- definitely not worried about pleasing -- in some sort of bottom line (kinda "just buy it" or "definitely a no-no"). People may have a different opinion, but that's his; can't blame him for saying. You know, it's hard sometimes to choose a camera or lens when you keep reading about "goods" and "bads" and have to weigh them all on your own, especially when you're just taking up photography like me and have no idea if that little extra on that camera, that will cost you $300 more, is important or irrelevant. Well, it helps me when he says "I'd buy it". Kind of a friend's advice for a beginner, not techie stuff. Maybe he's more suited for the less experienced and simple minded (me included...). Well, I like him! (Should I run for cover now?)

canon rumors FORUM

Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2012, 09:07:26 AM »

plutonium10

  • Canon AE-1
  • ***
  • Posts: 75
    • View Profile
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2012, 09:41:31 AM »
Yeah, his articles are like a friend's advice, simple and well put. But it's that one friend of yours who happens to have a moderately strong Nikon bias. Everybody has their preferences.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2012, 09:47:32 AM by plutonium10 »
EOS 7D | EF-S 15-85 IS USM | EF 70-300 L IS USM | EF 100 L IS USM Macro | Gitzo GT2531 | Arca-Swiss Z1

Chuck Alaimo

  • 1D Mark IV
  • ******
  • Posts: 974
    • View Profile
    • Chuck Alaimo Photography
Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2012, 11:07:20 AM »
this brings me back to some posts i made on other topics about how - if the specs are all that matters I'm gonna send my clients a report from a lab about the images and let them choose from that....

I do enjoy the turn around.  Ken hated the mk3 in his first comparison review.  I guess spending some time with it changed his mind...
Owns 5Dmkiii, 6D, 16-35mm, 24mm 1.4, 70-200mm 2.8, 50mm 1.4, 85 mm 1.8, 100mm 2.8 macro, 1-600RT, 2 430 EX's, 1 video light

canon rumors FORUM

Re: Ken Rockwell is loving his 5D MK3 compared to his D800
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2012, 11:07:20 AM »