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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2017, 10:14:59 AM »
I have been using 17-40 f4 L for a quite long time in wedding reception for shooting people and it has been decent to me except for the edges which I believe this problem has been solved in the 16-35 F4 L IS. Enjoy it.

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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2017, 10:14:59 AM »

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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2017, 10:47:06 AM »
When at the 35 end and for group shots it's very nice...not ideal but not bad at all.
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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2017, 10:59:17 AM »
When it comes to lenses Jean Reno said it best in the movie Leon;

"The tele is the first lens you learn how to use, because it lets you keep your distance from the client. The closer you get to being a pro, the closer you can get to the client. The super wide angle, for example, is the last thing you learn. "

Ok so perhaps that was not the exact quote...

While focal lengths of about 80-135 will give the most flattering look on your subject, a wide angle combined with a lot of energy can give great results. But be aware of a few things - distortion gets worse the closer to the frame you get. So place your portrait subject in the centre if you want the face to dominate the picture. I think the best way to use a wideangle lens for portraits is to do full body portraits with lots of depth of field. When the head is smaller in the picture its harder to spot if the nose seems a bit too big.

So, CAN you do great portraits with a 16-35? Yes. But it is hard to make them look good. Does it really add anything to your 24-105? Not reall, for portraits. And the 24-105 @ 105 /4 is not too bad when it comes to portraits. So when it comes to your portraits, use the 24-105 most of the time and then go crazy with the 16-35 and try to build up loads of energy - then you really don´t care as much if things looks a bit off.

Exactly.  The 16-35 can be used for portraits, but mostly toward the 35mm end of its range, which is also covered by the 24-105.  Also, it takes some practice to get the most out of a 16-35, especially at the wider end.

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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2017, 11:14:55 AM »
Do yourself a favor and watch a lot of videos on composition using wide angle lenses.  When I got my 16-35 i was debating between it and a 24-70.  On the way home from the camera shop I stopped at the zoo and all my shots looked terrible, with nothing large enough to be interesting or even recognizable.  I kind of got that cold clammy feeling like you get if you make an enormous expensive mistake.

Looking into proper composition really turned it around.  You need to get something in the close foreground for interest, whether it be your subject or something else.  Shoot up close unless it is a person's face, in which case don't.  Shooting from down low is good too, for getting the ground in the shot. 
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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2017, 11:32:01 AM »
I still dont have too many lenses... I only had the 18-55 kit lens with my old xti and a 70-300 sigma, i just got the 24-105 and the 16-35 is on its on way... So that's it..

I actually WANT to show a lot of the background scene ( or else i would use the 24-105 for portraits)... But i wanna know is if I use the 16-35, will I get unacceptably distorted images when shooting people ?

I agree with everybody who says that something around 85mm is perfect for shooting portraits, but that doesn’t answer your question. There is no magic evil spell cast on people’s faces by wide angle lenses. Whatever the lens, you just don’t want to be too close to the subject unless you want the face to look funny. Pictures of people in landscapes can look great.

I also recently got a 24-105mm lens with my camera purchase, and I am quite pleased with its quality and usefulness. I will buy something wider some day, likely a 16-35, but 24mm covers almost everything I want to shoot. I’m used to traveling with my G7X II, as I am now, and it goes wide to a 24 equivalent, and I’ve rarely missed having something wider. It zooms to 100mm equivalence, so that familiarity could account for how comfortable I am with that lens on the 6D2.

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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2017, 03:01:27 AM »
If you want one human being be the main subject, I would advice against going much wider than 35mm. If the environment is the primary subject and one or two people are a convenient juxtaposition, go wild!

35 wide open is a personal favourite of mine for portraits outdoors, at about 2 metre distance. Slightly closer for kids.
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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2017, 03:34:04 AM »
I still dont have too many lenses... I only had the 18-55 kit lens with my old xti and a 70-300 sigma, i just got the 24-105 and the 16-35 is on its on way... So that's it..

I actually WANT to show a lot of the background scene ( or else i would use the 24-105 for portraits)... But i wanna know is if I use the 16-35, will I get unacceptably distorted images when shooting people ?

You can perfectly use it, but you have to carefully consider your framing. It distorts heavily at close focus (so full body shots can be oke) and it has the 'wide angle effect' (don't know if there's an official name) at the edges of the frame, so don't fill the frame completely from head to feet and don't put yourselves completely on the (long or short) edge and you'll be fine. :)

Attached are 2 shots taken with the 16-35 at 16mm on a 5D3.

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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2017, 03:34:04 AM »

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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2017, 02:28:45 PM »
the 2.8 version? L? Would like to see some good video samples.

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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2017, 05:38:36 PM »
Modern sensors are so good, what is wrong with having the person far enough away to avoid distortion and crop in? Yeah, people will talk about 'not using the lens to its full potential' (whatever that means) but it is no different to putting 16-35 on a APS-C camera.
Sure, if you want the pride of knowing you have the best possible quality shot in the bag, but if you want to travel light it is a strong option.

In cases like this it is important to understand  the principles behind the 'standard' approach. There is nothing magical about an 85mm lens that makes it ideal for portraits - but on a 35mm sensor, but when getting a head and shoulders portrait using an 85mm means to have a frame-filling portrait you stand at a distance at which the proportions of the facial features look 'right'. It is the camera-to-subject distance that is most critical.
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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2017, 06:49:24 PM »
Can you shoot people with a 16-35 on FF?  Absolutely.  They just won't be classic head/shoulders work, they will be environmental portraits, candids, street, travel, etc.

My basic rules for when to do this:

  • Keep your distance unless you want that cow in the pasture distortion thing.
  • Keep your subjects near center but not necessarily centered if you do need to get closer to them -- this is vital for the 16-20mm side of things
  • Try to incorporate them into the environment on the wider FLs -- see street shot and boulder lifting shot
  • Never shoot head/shoulders framing, even on the 35 end -- you will get facial distortion.

The short answer is to bring the 16-35 lens for sure, but also have a 24-something handy for when you do want to frame more tightly on head or head/shoulders.  A few examples below -- not stellar work by any means, but a few examples of a wide lens working with subjects in frame.

Dog = 24mm (16 is money for pets/animals, IMHO, I could have gone tighter, but this was a 24-70 lens)
Neon = 16mm (center-ish guy okay, but people in margins get mangled)
Canada = 16mm
Boulder lifter = 16mm

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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2017, 10:43:34 PM »
I found that the 105mm cannon works quite well for shooting people :)
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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2017, 04:29:42 PM »
I found that the 105mm cannon works quite well for shooting people :)

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Re: Shooting people with a 16-35... Any good ?
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2017, 04:29:42 PM »