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Nikon D3200 is likely to be the real market threat

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Aglet:
24MP, cheap, well-featured and judging by the samples posted by imaging-resource, the IQ is pretty good too.  Base ISO quite clean to 400, 800 and 1600 usable, even 3200 (& up) can be utilized in a pinch for small prints or with aggressive noise reduction.  No red pattern noise showing up in the shadows at those usable ISO levels either, a problem that plagues many of Canon's contemporary EOS products.

Anyone else think that the D3200 is could me more of a motivator for Canon to make improvements than the limited threat of the D800/e?

psolberg:
both companies push each other to be better. The D800 is a direct response to the 5D's popular formula and judging by the reactions and glowing reviews, it is a major hit. Heck I switched because of it ;)

However the low end market works differently. people buying a low end camera are rarely informed enough to really choose beyond just comparing best buy display sheets. The few that are, don't really represent a big enough crowd to make a difference.

The reality is that I see no reason why anybody would pick any specific brand for an entry level body. Canon, Nikon, Sony or whatever. When I'm asked I always tell them to get the brand they can afford. 

Want to know what the REAL rebel killer is? Mirrorless. It is only going to keep eating the bottom of entry level dslrs the way smart phones ate away basic point and shoots.

it is inevitable.

TrumpetPower!:
No APS format camera will ever be a competitor with a 135 format camera, just as no 135 format camera will ever be a competitor with a medium format camera.

Unless, of course, you compare models several generations apart or the like. Then you might maybe find the lines starting to slightly blur if you squint hard enough, perhaps.

I'm sure the D3200 is a wonderful camera. It's just not in the same class as the D800 and the 5DIII, and it's ludicrous to pretend it is.

Sorry.

b&

pdirestajr:
I have an alternate perspective.

Mirror less cameras are not the demise of entry level DSLRs, they are the evolution of Point-and-shoot cameras.

Point-and-shoots needed to advance to offer a point of difference from the camera people already have built into their current smart phone. To convince people they NEED to buy another camera, they had to introduce DSLR-like features into their market. Let's get serious, "mirrorless" cameras aren't a new category- they are just point-and-shoots with interchangeable lenses. And the majority of consumers who buy them and entry level DSLRs never even take the kit lens off!

The only chance for mirror less cameras to erode the DSLR market is for pros to start using them. People buy affordable DSLRs to feel like they have a "pro quality" camera. Most will never bother to learn what an aperture is, nor have any idea how big their sensor is. They basically have expensive point-and-shoots.

I live in Brooklyn, NY. Over the weekend I was at Brooklyn Bridge park with my family- the place was flooded with tourists from around the world. People had cameras around their neck every place I looked. 9 out of 10 of those cameras were Canon xxxD/ xxxxD. The other 1 was split between the occasional Nikon DSLR and Sony NEX.

My conclusion is Canon is doing fine. Nikon is the company that NEEDS to be aggressive to stay relevant.

How many TV shows and fancy directors are shooting award winning films on NIKON DSLRs? Canon doesn't need to advertise. Their free PR is huge! When consumers can afford to buy the equipment that they perceive is capable of shooting an episode of HOUSE, well, it helps.

Another thought:
Why can't people consider the fact that The 5D3 isn't over-priced, but that Nikon is taking a huge hit financially in reducing their price in hopes of taking some of the market back? Competition is great! Canon will continue to push back. They now don't have a choice.

dunkers:
I for one would like to see Canon take this approach:


Rebel T4i - takes the AF system of the XXD system (all 9 cross type). I don't really care if they up the megapixel count or not.

Canon 70D - takes the AF system of the 7D (19 cross type). I would prefer they not up the megapixel count and keep it at 18mp. Keep the 18mp and use a Digic 5 processor. Keep the same 8fps or increase it to 8.5 like the old 1dmk2. This would reestablish the position of the XXD line as a semi-pro series rather than a prosumer.


Sure the 7D was a great camera, but it really messed up their lineup imo.

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