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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2012, 02:10:41 AM »
I am so bummed.  I just read that the lens is 82 mm.  None of my landscape filters will fit.  why did they do that :'(

Your response is the definition of a nitpick. If you look at the MTF graph at the tele end this lens has performance that is nearly identical if not better than the 100mm f/2.8 IS Macro, both wide open and stopped down, with the wide end only trailing slightly.

The 100mm f/2.8 IS Macro is one of the sharpest lenses ever made. It has around 60% more resolution than the 24-70mm Mark I. The Mark II on the telephoto end should be as sharp in the extreme corners as the mark I is at the center.

And you're complaining about a filter size... The lens is an amazing acheivement. If it bothers you so much stick with the mark I version. A fast zoom lens with the image quality of the 24-70mm F/2.8 Mark II is the stuff of myths and legends.
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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2012, 02:10:41 AM »

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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2012, 02:18:58 AM »
Seriously people like you make me furious beyond all reason. If you look at the MTF graph at the tele end this lens has performance that is nearly identical if not better than the 100mm f/2.8 IS Macro, with the wide end only trailing slightly.

The 100mm f/2.8 IS Macro is one of the sharpest lenses ever made. It has around 60% more resolution than the 24-70mm Mark I. SIXTY PERCENT. The Mark II on the telephoto end should be as sharp in the extreme corners as the mark I was at the god damned center.

Can somebody plz point me in the direction of the MTF charts? I saw them a while back, but can't find them again.

Can't wait for this lens!!!

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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2012, 02:44:40 AM »
Is that an official Canon kit or is that just a kit that one particular camera store is doing?

Most other Australian Canon authorised retailers have it listed, so I would think it's offical - at least for that market. Can't confirm 100% though, at least not until it arrives :)

Ok thanks for the update.  Just called my camera store here in Japan that i have my 24-70 pre-order with, and they said they knew nothing of a kit. 

Japan is a little weird, typically you get a a small discount off the price and a longer warranty if you pre-order camera gear.
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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2012, 02:53:32 AM »
Seriously people like you make me furious beyond all reason. If you look at the MTF graph at the tele end this lens has performance that is nearly identical if not better than the 100mm f/2.8 IS Macro, with the wide end only trailing slightly.

The 100mm f/2.8 IS Macro is one of the sharpest lenses ever made. It has around 60% more resolution than the 24-70mm Mark I. SIXTY PERCENT. The Mark II on the telephoto end should be as sharp in the extreme corners as the mark I was at the god damned center.

Can somebody plz point me in the direction of the MTF charts? I saw them a while back, but can't find them again.

Can't wait for this lens!!!

They're on Canon's website, here's a comparison I did of the MTF though between the 24-70mm II at the tele end and the 100mm macro. "better" means that the 24-70mm II is better, and worse means it's worse:

parallel to central axis: (overall: slightly worse center, slightly better corners)

 10 LP/MM:

  Wide Open: 0-15: equal 15-21: 10% better
  Stopped Down: 0-15: equal 15-21: 2% worse

 30 LP/MM:

  Wide Open: 0-12: 10% worse 12-20: 10% better
  Stopped Down: 0-12: equal 15-21: 14% worse


perpendicular to central axis: (overall: slightly better center, slightly worse corners, )

 10 LP/MM:

  Wide Open: 0-5: equal 5-20: 7% worse
  Stopped Down: 0-15: equal 15-21: 2% better

 30 LP/MM:

  Wide Open: equal
  Stopped Down: 0-5: 5% better 5-15: equal 15-21: 5% worse


Overall it seems dead even to the 100mm macro, in some areas it's better in some worse but it evens out.


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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2012, 03:19:22 AM »
Looks like one amazing zoom lens, can't wait for the reviews!!

Had my eyes on a 16-35 and then a 35L, but have decided to wait for this baby to come out and will see if I lack aperture or UWA once I've spent some time with it. Have never used any of the 24-x lenses, glad I waited for the best one!

I looked at the 70-200 II MTF's and the 24-70 II charts are even better - looks amazing for a zoom!! I have the 100L, and yes it's incredibly sharp!

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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2012, 09:18:51 AM »
Would anyone know when the 24-70 F2.8L MKII lens shall be released?
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« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2012, 09:18:51 AM »

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« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2012, 09:58:34 AM »
@Radiating-Guess it did sound a little whiney about the filter thing but it was really just kind of an observation/question.  I was surprised to see the larger lens diameter.   I don't understand optics enough and can't figure out why if a 77mm lens will allow the light to fill an entire full frame sensor in the 24-70mm focal length, why increase the diameter?   

 By the way, "People like you make me furious beyond all reason".  You really really need to chill?

Have a great day ;D     

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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2012, 11:28:17 AM »
@Radiating-Guess it did sound a little whiney about the filter thing but it was really just kind of an observation/question.  I was surprised to see the larger lens diameter.   I don't understand optics enough and can't figure out why if a 77mm lens will allow the light to fill an entire full frame sensor in the 24-70mm focal length, why increase the diameter?   

 By the way, "People like you make me furious beyond all reason".  You really really need to chill?

Have a great day ;D   

I will answer with a question along the same lines of thinking...

Why do you need to have a lens bigger than 58mm then?  Cause that will fill the frame as well (on my 50mm 1.4) 

I'm sure it has to do with optics and light refraction.
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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
« Reply #54 on: June 27, 2012, 11:51:55 AM »
Overall it seems dead even to the 100mm macro, in some areas it's better in some worse but it evens out.
That is fantastic!  The filter size has never bothered me on any lens; it is what it is.

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« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2012, 08:02:35 PM »
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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
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« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2012, 09:08:47 AM »
Came across this seller on eBay who claims the item will be released on July 20th.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pre-sale-Canon-EF-24-70mm-f-2-8L-II-USM-release-20th-July-2012-/320930959733?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item4ab8f9d175

Wow, what a bargain price!!...

Apparantly, it's a store in Japan selling it.  In Japan this lens MSRP is about $2750 USD.  If you pre-order it though, it's about $2450 (Tax Included).  So it's about on par for what you'd pay in the states if you had to pay tax.
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« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2012, 10:45:15 AM »
Hi I am new to this forum I want to ask you let say if I buy 24-70 II lens and I am using Canon T4i what will be the Pros & Cons ? Please advice

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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2012, 11:20:04 AM »
Hi I am new to this forum I want to ask you let say if I buy 24-70 II lens and I am using Canon T4i what will be the Pros & Cons ? Please advice

The pros are that you're using a lens with sealing and excellent sharpness (well, I guess, the lens isn't here yet). The cons are you're throwing money away and carry dead weight because the crop sensor only uses the center of L glass that is sharp even on the borders. Further cons are that you don't have IS like on the 17-55/2.8 and that the zoom range doesn't include "wide" on crop (24x1.6). Unless you want to upgrade to ff, this is clearly not the lens to get.




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Re: Canon's new 24-70 2.8L II ship date
« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2012, 11:20:04 AM »