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Re: Canon 7D Mark II Info? [CR2]
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2012, 11:05:47 AM »
For those wanting it to remain at 18MP, I really can't see that happening UNLESS they use the same sensor again.

Agreed.

I suspect that a lot of people that say "more than XMP is not needed" just don't want the new camera to be better (ie have more MP) than the camera that they currently own. Of course they come up with other arguments (high ISO performance will drop, etc) but in doing so fail to acknowledge that new sensors with more MP usually bring with them other changes to offset these losses.

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« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2012, 11:43:09 AM »

[/quote] I can see a swivel LCD being useful for many types of photography; it lets you keep off the ground when shooting outdoors
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I can see it has been my limited imagination that stopped me from making full use of the articulated screen.  Just the other day I had my 7D on a very low tripod to get eye level with some geese, with me kneeling in the mud.  If I had been using the 60D, my knees would have been clean and dry ;D

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« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2012, 11:46:37 AM »
Ditto.  The ISO performance on the current 7D is my only real complaint.

I would love to know what you people are doing with your 7Ds that make you complain about its high ISO/low light performance - I routinely use mine well into four figure ISOs with no problems whatsoever.

This is absolutely typical of what my 7D does at high ISO - 5000 ISO, 1/25 at f/4 (proper low light then), handheld at 420mm while I was messing around with my then-new Siggy 120-300mm f/2.8 OS + 1.4x TC (yes, the stabilisation is this good).

Converted in Lr 3, resized/tweaked/selectively sharpened in Photoshop.

What's wrong with it? 5000 ISO not high enough?

How about 6400 ISO?

8500 ISO?

12800 ISO?

Exif is in all of them - they're all low light and handheld.

Seriously, people - if you can't do this with your 7D, it ain't the camera...
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« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2012, 11:48:32 AM »

I can see a swivel LCD being useful for many types of photography; it lets you keep off the ground when shooting outdoors
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I can see it has been my limited imagination that stopped me from making full use of the articulated screen.  Just the other day I had my 7D on a very low tripod to get eye level with some geese, with me kneeling in the mud.  If I had been using the 60D, my knees would have been clean and dry ;D
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Real photographers do it on their knees ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Canon 7D Mark II Info? [CR2]
« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2012, 12:12:23 PM »
fingers crossed for 27mp aps-h with 18mp APS-C crop mode :P

and maybe 8fps in APS-H 10fps in APS-C

That would be great!

Personally, I'd throw my stake in for f/8 AF as well. Canon needs to start competing with their primary competition on every level. Nikon offers multi-point f/8 AF for multiple cameras now, not just their flagship line. And f/8 AF would be intensely useful for bird/BIF photography.
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Re: Canon 7D Mark II Info? [CR2]
« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2012, 02:57:06 PM »
I've had my 5D and 20D for a long time now.  It's immensely useful to me to have two cameras that have two different formats use about the same user interface with about the same body design.

If the 7DII is just a 5D III with the sensor size reduced (and the other related bits - AF sensor, viewfinder, mirror, etc.) and about the same pixel count, that would be great.  If they could include video crop modes (they need to add that into the 5D III with firmware) and f/8 AF sensors, there's a reasonable chance I'd buy BOTH cameras.  As of this moment, I'm still planning on keeping the 20D and 5D going.

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« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2012, 03:43:28 PM »
Ditto.  The ISO performance on the current 7D is my only real complaint.

What's wrong with it? 5000 ISO not high enough?

How about 6400 ISO?

8500 ISO?

12800 ISO?

Exif is in all of them - they're all low light and handheld.

Seriously, people - if you can't do this with your 7D, it ain't the camera...

They're noisy and soft, even at screen resolution.  Seriously dude, if you can't see that, the problem's not the camera...

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« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2012, 03:50:21 PM »
I can see a swivel LCD being useful for many types of photography; it lets you keep off the ground when shooting outdoors

I know this is a preference thing, but I'd rather lay in the mud rather than have a swivel screen. Great for video, but I'm not sold on it's function for photography. Just more tiny parts to break.

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« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2012, 06:22:06 PM »
I can see a swivel LCD being useful for many types of photography; it lets you keep off the ground when shooting outdoors

I know this is a preference thing, but I'd rather lay in the mud rather than have a swivel screen. Great for video, but I'm not sold on it's function for photography. Just more tiny parts to break.

It can be quite useful if you have the camera attached to a telescope on a tracking mount.  The camera can end up in some very difficult to use positions.

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« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2012, 06:28:36 PM »
Ditto.  The ISO performance on the current 7D is my only real complaint.

What's wrong with it? 5000 ISO not high enough?

How about 6400 ISO?

8500 ISO?

12800 ISO?

Exif is in all of them - they're all low light and handheld.

Seriously, people - if you can't do this with your 7D, it ain't the camera...

They're noisy and soft, even at screen resolution.  Seriously dude, if you can't see that, the problem's not the camera...

+1

Noise starts getting visible with the 7D at about iso1600

It is not to say that the image is not accptable - just that the noise is clearly there

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Re: Canon 7D Mark II Info? [CR2]
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2012, 07:40:09 PM »
Ditto.  The ISO performance on the current 7D is my only real complaint.

What's wrong with it? 5000 ISO not high enough?

How about 6400 ISO?

8500 ISO?

12800 ISO?

Exif is in all of them - they're all low light and handheld.

Seriously, people - if you can't do this with your 7D, it ain't the camera...

They're noisy and soft, even at screen resolution.  Seriously dude, if you can't see that, the problem's not the camera...

I wouldn't go that far, they're usable shots and are salvageable but these are all shots that are in moderately decent lighting. I'm often at events that have virtually no lighting save for a camp fire 200 feet away and a small black light over the performer in a venue over a mile from the nearest building. And I'm trying to take photos of people in the crowd. This is an extreme situation but one that I run into a few times a year. There is nothing really wrong with the current generation of sensor, but there is equally as much not wrong with wishing for improvements.
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Re: Canon 7D Mark II Info? [CR2]
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2012, 09:42:56 PM »
The 61 AF from 5D3/1DX sounds sweet as well 10FPS.
Hopefully if that 10FPS comes to stay in 7D2, FULL RAW continuous burst of 20-30 shots, not 17 shots like in 7D.

Good point. The buffer depth may be the bottleneck that would make a $$ stretch to the 1DX necessary. All the more reason to keep the MP at 18. If Canon are going to spec the 7DII with 10 FPS they'd be unlikely to limit it's usefulness with an oversized MP spec.

Canon can be commended for not bowing to misinformed pressure to keep increasing MP with recent updates, notably the 18MP 1DX and the 22MP 5D3. I'd predict an upgraded 18MP APS-C for the 7DII, along with build and performance upgrades to fill the gap left by the demise of APS-H (Canon 1DMkIV).

On my Mk4 I often shoot mRAW if I need 10fps, a deep, deep buffer and have a valid reluctance to shoot JPEG. Lighting at indoor sports venues can challenge auto white balance making RAW shooting 100% necessary.

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Re: Canon 7D Mark II Info? [CR2]
« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2012, 12:58:37 AM »
I hope for faster than 1/250 X-sync, since last generation of pro bodies is step back from older models:
1/200 on 5D mark III is slower than 1/250 of 1Ds or Nikon D800
1/250 on 1D X is slower than 1D/1DIII,1DIV

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« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2012, 02:27:52 AM »
I hope for faster than 1/250 X-sync, since last generation of pro bodies is step back from older models:
1/200 on 5D mark III is slower than 1/250 of 1Ds or Nikon D800
1/250 on 1D X is slower than 1D/1DIII,1DIV

Oh yes! That should be high on the wishlist for a work-ready 7DII. Faster sync speeds are difficult to achieve on FF due to the greater distance the shutter must travel. Dr Neuro has explained this more eloquently.

I loved the 1/500 sync on the original 1D with the CCD sensor, the last in the line before CMOS took over. I did read the reasons why CMOS characteristics did pull the sync speed back from 1/500 to 1/300 on the 1D MkII MkIII & MkIV but can't recall the details. It was a decade ago.

In recent times I have been making a lot more use of high speed sync on the 580ex & 580exII. It really needs a gutsy external battery hooked up to make it truly useful as it sucks power like crazy. I run a twin output Quantum Turbo T3 which is a big help. It's also useful to keep your aperture big and your iso as high as practical for your project, particularly if you need a few frames burst. With HSS there's no problem if you shoot at 8000/sec at f/2.8 or f/4 at 800 or 1600 iso. I'd like to read other people's HSS strategies.

But back to business, yes Canon, stretch the R&D budget, charge a little more for the 7DII if you must but give us 1/500 sync.

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« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2012, 03:58:41 AM »
I hope for faster than 1/250 X-sync, since last generation of pro bodies is step back from older models:
1/200 on 5D mark III is slower than 1/250 of 1Ds or Nikon D800
1/250 on 1D X is slower than 1D/1DIII,1DIV

Oh yes! That should be high on the wishlist for a work-ready 7DII. Faster sync speeds are difficult to achieve on FF due to the greater distance the shutter must travel. Dr Neuro has explained this more eloquently.

I loved the 1/500 sync on the original 1D with the CCD sensor, the last in the line before CMOS took over. I did read the reasons why CMOS characteristics did pull the sync speed back from 1/500 to 1/300 on the 1D MkII MkIII & MkIV but can't recall the details. It was a decade ago.

In recent times I have been making a lot more use of high speed sync on the 580ex & 580exII. It really needs a gutsy external battery hooked up to make it truly useful as it sucks power like crazy. I run a twin output Quantum Turbo T3 which is a big help. It's also useful to keep your aperture big and your iso as high as practical for your project, particularly if you need a few frames burst. With HSS there's no problem if you shoot at 8000/sec at f/2.8 or f/4 at 800 or 1600 iso. I'd like to read other people's HSS strategies.

But back to business, yes Canon, stretch the R&D budget, charge a little more for the 7DII if you must but give us 1/500 sync.

Paul Wright

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Re: Canon 7D Mark II Info? [CR2]
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