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5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« on: May 16, 2012, 11:15:28 PM »
I've been saving for a while now to upgrade my T1i and ef-s lenses to full frame, and will have a budget around $4k to work with.  I'm just looking for some opinions on which combo to go with: 5d II and the new 24-70L II or the 5d III and the original 24-70L.

Image quality of the combo, and features/handling are my two main concerns. If the image quality of the original 24-70L plus the newer 5d III is good enough then all the extra features the 5d III offers will be great.  If the performance of the 24-70L II lives up to the expectations and blows the original out of the water, then I could certainly justify getting the 5d II and the newer lens. 

Everybody always says to spend the money on glass, which is why I'm coming to the CR forums for help.  Which way would you go and why?  Thanks for any input  ;D
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Re: 5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2012, 11:34:26 PM »
Depends what you like to shoot!  If it were me, I would get the 5d2, the 16-35 and a 70-200 f2.8 non is.  But that's just me!

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Re: 5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2012, 11:39:30 PM »
Well I've shot with the 17-55 f2.8 and love it's range.  I could live with just that range, so the 24-70 seems like a perfect fit for me.  I plan on adding a few primes over time, but the 24-70 would be all I need for a while. The 16-35 and 70-200 combo doesn't seem that bad though either haha.

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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2012, 11:47:37 PM »
well the new 24-70, as you know, will be quite a bit more expensive.  If you shoot moving subjects (animals, kids etc) get the 5diii.  For landscapes i'd just get the 5d2.

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Re: 5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2012, 11:55:41 PM »
I've been saving for a while now to upgrade my T1i and ef-s lenses to full frame, and will have a budget around $4k to work with.  I'm just looking for some opinions on which combo to go with: 5d II and the new 24-70L II or the 5d III and the original 24-70L.

Image quality of the combo, and features/handling are my two main concerns. If the image quality of the original 24-70L plus the newer 5d III is good enough then all the extra features the 5d III offers will be great.  If the performance of the 24-70L II lives up to the expectations and blows the original out of the water, then I could certainly justify getting the 5d II and the newer lens. 

Everybody always says to spend the money on glass, which is why I'm coming to the CR forums for help.  Which way would you go and why?  Thanks for any input  ;D

Well the features/handling are certainly way in 5D3 favor, OTOH the 24-70 II should be much sharper and the 5D2 sensor is every bit as good, if not a minute trace better, for lowest ISO landscape stuff.

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Re: 5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 12:22:11 AM »
Well that's exactly my problem haha.  It's kind of a toss up right now.  I guess I'll just wait and decide when the 24-70 II comes out :-\

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Re: 5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 02:49:36 AM »
5Dmk3 and 16-35 f2.8 mkii get a 50 1.8 to tide you over to save up for another lens :)
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Re: 5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2012, 03:18:19 AM »
A sharp lens is only good if your body nails focus. If you do any shooting in fading or low light, or sports or other moving subjects, the 5D3 combo hands down. If you're shooting with strobes in a studio or landscapes on a tripod then clearly the 5D2 combo is king.  The fact is no one can give you any kind of worthwhile advice without knowing what, where, and when you shoot. 

Don't necessarily limit yourself to f2.8 glass either. The 24-105 f4 can be a killer piece of glass with 3 stops of IS and when combined with a 5D3 body.... about 4 stops higher ISO (that translates into a LOT of action stopping shutter speed) compared to what you're use to.
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Re: 5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2012, 03:41:36 AM »
Well I shoot a little bit of everything (not very helpful I know). Probably landscapes, and people mostly.  Situations where I'd need the nicer autofocus don't happen too often, but when they do, it'd be nice to have better autofocus than I'm used to in my T1i. 

Another reason for the 24-70 is because it can focus so closely I might be able to convince myself that I don't need a macro down the road  ;)   

The 16-35/5D III combo would be pretty nice, but probably too wide to hold me over while I saved up for another good zoom. Plus I'm sure 24mm is more than wide enough for my tastes on full frame.  And the 24-105 is another possibility, but that 2.8 aperture is really appealing for the shallower DOF  ;D

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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2012, 06:11:57 AM »
(The 24-105 is likely to produce a shallower DOF at 105/f4 than the 24-70 does at 70/f2.8..)

It's a difficult decision. I can see reasons to go with either.

It really comes down to whether you'll be happy with the 24-70 I as a lens. If you will be happy with it, I'd probably get the 5d3 with that since the 5d3 really solves SO many of the 5d2 issues. You can see it compared with a 24mm prime at 24mm f11 here: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=480&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=8&LensComp=101&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=5

I'd say it does a pretty good job...

As an alternative, how about 5d2, 17-40 f4, 24-105 f4. You might even be able to get an 85 1.8 in budget which would be great for people?

As for macro lenses, you can get extension tubes... not as good as a macro, but not far off for occasional use...

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Re: 5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2012, 08:30:58 AM »
Well I shoot a little bit of everything (not very helpful I know). Probably landscapes, and people mostly.  Situations where I'd need the nicer autofocus don't happen too often, but when they do, it'd be nice to have better autofocus than I'm used to in my T1i. 

Another reason for the 24-70 is because it can focus so closely I might be able to convince myself that I don't need a macro down the road  ;)   

The 16-35/5D III combo would be pretty nice, but probably too wide to hold me over while I saved up for another good zoom. Plus I'm sure 24mm is more than wide enough for my tastes on full frame.  And the 24-105 is another possibility, but that 2.8 aperture is really appealing for the shallower DOF  ;D

If you're looking to buy soon, I suggest looking at a used 5DII and a used/canon refurb 24-70 I.  You should be able to get that combo for less than 3k (24-70 I is currently out of stock at the canon store, but it goes for about 1100 -- about 1200 including taxes/shipping).  You can then use the remaining money for a something like a 16-35L II, a macro or a telezoom -- your pick.

The 5DIII is better than the 5DII and the 24-70L II will be better than the 24-70L I, but in your case, I don't think it's $2000 better.  Once you have a few FF-compatible lenses, then it might make sense to upgrade the 5DII to the 5DIII.  And if you get a used 5DII, you won't lose much if any on the upgrade down the road. 

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Re: 5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2012, 12:24:36 PM »

L lenses seem to hold values better than body. 5D II/24-70 mrk II combo seems to be a good a choice for non-fast shooting events.

 
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Re: 5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2012, 12:51:46 PM »
If you don't shoot a lot of action....I would go with the 5d2 / 24-70 II combo.  I'm not a fan of the 24-70 I...and the II shows signs of being awesome.

If you do shoot a lot of action....that's a tough one.  I guess the 5d3 + 24-70 I...and save up to buy the II when possible.

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2012, 12:58:40 PM »
5D3 + 24-70mm Mk I for 2 reasons (both economic or related to re-sale:

(1) 24-70mm mark 1 lenses have already begun to appreciate considerably in value, plus the price differential btw the mark II and I is still huge - can only compress from here (as new lenses are discounted by retailers, particularly the online variety, whereas the limited availability of older mark I ones will ensure a high resale value).

(2) The 5D3 has much better AF + low-light ISO performance (12,800 is 100% usable - see Philip Bloom video review on D4 vs D800 vs 5D3), and has dual memory cards, faster frame rate etc. Rule of thumb is to change your DSLR body every 2-3 years, but retain your good glass, so you won't lose much when you trade-up again.

Based on the above reasons, mainly the first one, it will be more cost effective to get the newer body now with the cheaper L lens, only to trade up from the mark I to the mark II in about 6-9 months time when the price differential is not 50% more but 20% more (or even less). Think about it.

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Re: 5D II/24-70L II OR 5D III/24-70L
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2012, 01:07:52 PM »
Great question. I would take the 5D3 because I think it's improved AF will give it a long life. I would plan on selling the 24-70mm mk1, after I save up enough money to buy the mk2. I am actually skipping the mk1 myself and relying on other lenses until I have enough $$$$ to get the mk2.
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