Canon EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]

[awinphoto]

Normally don't comment on rumors but just want to say I'd rather Canon stick with 18MP but make improvements in DR and high ISO performance than increase MP count at the expense of those two highly important items. 18MP is honestly enough for me, and seems to already be pushing certain lenses to the edge of their performance capabilities, so...

exactly

[c.d.embrey]

If the rumor is true, the 70D will be a real EOS Not a POS like the 60D

Maybe Canon has finally made an APS-C camera that will entice me to trade-in my 40D. Even better would be a mirrorless camera with these specs  

[amarlez]

I'm not buying these specs. It isn't possible to have the autofocus from the full frame 5D III on an APS-C 7D II.

I'd like to see the 70D take the 7D II's place with dual Digic 5s and better autofocus and the 7D II to keep its autofocus, drop the frame rate and go full frame. Probably won't happen but that would keep the Canon nomenclature clean with the full-frame bodies all at xD and APS-C bodies at xxD or xxxD. Pricewise the 7D II would get pushed to $2000 and the 70D up to $1300-1500 — where Canon gives you the option of one $3500 camera or two cameras that together match the specs and cost the same.

[Dylan777]

the Current 7D will become the 70D and the 7DII will become the new top Crop camera. Id like to see an improved 18mp sensor with even better AF, and 10FPS! thatd be sweet.

Knowing canons pricing system, expect 2000$ and up. 

My 2cents: at least $2500.

[dstppy]

70D sounds logical as a more or less rebodied 7D with flipscreen. However the AF of the 7D is already good enough for Bird in Flight and most sports  - so the 7D mkII needs more than just a better AF and viewfinder upgrade. It needs better IQ and that is only possible with a new designed sensor ...   

If they did that, put MFA back in, they'd seriously have a contender, that's for sure.

[dswatson83]

They also need a second card slot in the 7D. Canon really needs to work on low light and DR. I can tell you on my 7D, if you push the shadows much at all, you have some serious issues and it looks like that is almost the same in the 5D mark III. The AF in the 7D is already decent for a sub $2000 camera (especially compared to the 5dII, 8fps is freakishly fast, and 18MP is plenty for almost everyone, but I would love to see better looking shadows in any new sensor and better RAW noise performance because those are weak areas of the Canon.

[neuroanatomist]

I'm not buying these specs. It isn't possible to have the autofocus from the full frame 5D III on an APS-C 7D II.

Good point.  Physically, it's probably possible, in that the 61-point AF sensor array fits within the APS-C frame (see below).  The side points go right to the edge of the frame, which sounds wonderful - but probably too good to be true, as vignetting and distortion will impact AF performance (one reason why there aren't AF points right to the edge of the frame!).

[KeithR]

The newly announced Panasonic 12-35 mm (equiv to 24-70 FF) f/2.8 OIS lens (305 g, 58 mm filter thread) + Olympus OM-D look far more attractive to upgraders.

By what possible measure would those toys be "far more attractive" to 7D upgraders, a great many of whom are bird/wildlife/sports shooters?

[preppyak]

70d would be getting the 100% VF, new AF system, same sensor (although one could hope they refined it to give better ISO, DR, etc), continuous AF, etc... a pretty decent upgrade... I just hope it returns to a mag alloy body.  If so I may retire my 7d and pick this up as my backup body.

Unless your 7D is near death, you'd be retiring it for the exact same camera. Cause the "new" 70D is just the 7D with whatever this continuous auto-focus does.

If they did that, put MFA back in, they'd seriously have a contender, that's for sure.

Wouldn't surprise me if they left it out. Keep the 70D body similar, so its better than the Ti cameras, but not weather-sealed and full-pro style like the 7D, and leave out MFA to make people who want it buy the new 7D. Cause that's one feature they can easily differentiate that will get people to upgrade.

[Marine03]

Is Auto Focus micro adjust something most people seem to need?   Could this explain why my Nifty Fifty on my 450D sometimes seems just a little bit off?

[KeithR]

Canon really needs to work on low light...

Ho-hum...

My 7D at: 3200 ISO, 5000 ISO, 6400 ISO, 8500 ISO, 12800 ISO.

I can tell you on my 7D, if you push the shadows much at all, you have some serious issues

Yeah?

-3 EV pushed to +4 EV

Shadows and shadows recovered.

but I would love to see better looking shadows in any new sensor and better RAW noise performance because those are weak areas of the Canon.

Not a problem at all, with intelligent conversion and PP decisions...

[awinphoto]

70d would be getting the 100% VF, new AF system, same sensor (although one could hope they refined it to give better ISO, DR, etc), continuous AF, etc... a pretty decent upgrade... I just hope it returns to a mag alloy body.  If so I may retire my 7d and pick this up as my backup body.

Unless your 7D is near death, you'd be retiring it for the exact same camera. Cause the "new" 70D is just the 7D with whatever this continuous auto-focus does.

If they did that, put MFA back in, they'd seriously have a contender, that's for sure.

Wouldn't surprise me if they left it out. Keep the 70D body similar, so its better than the Ti cameras, but not weather-sealed and full-pro style like the 7D, and leave out MFA to make people who want it buy the new 7D. Cause that's one feature they can easily differentiate that will get people to upgrade.

For me personally it's a business decision and frankly my 7d has been my workhorse for my business for the last 2.5 years and now that I've got my 5d3, all I need is a solid camera as my backup.  My 7d, for whatever reason, has started intermittently giving me problems in windy and cold temperatures where it never did in the past...  I suspect it's the weathersealing that has started to degenerate and frankly I can pay to have it fixed, or sell it for max price now, use the funds to buy perhaps the 70d, which may be pretty much like my old "trusty" 7d, so i'm losing nothing really, and probably pay a hundred or two difference, and in april, i get to write off 2 cameras on taxes and have a fresh new warranty... That sounds quite nice to me. 

[KeithR]

Good point.  Physically, it's probably possible, in that the 61-point AF sensor array fits within the APS-C frame (see below).  The side points go right to the edge of the frame, which sounds wonderful - but probably too good to be true, as vignetting and distortion will impact AF performance (one reason why there aren't AF points right to the edge of the frame!).

Yeah, but Noink use the same (near as makes no difference) 51 point AF system in the D300 and the D700/D3. True, there's more space around the AF point array in the FF cameras, but it's still the same AF system.

I don't see why Canon couldn't do this too.

[hmmm]

The new 70D and 7DmkII (if we see one) will have to compete over a long 2 yr or more product life cycle with the D5200 and D7200 -- and D400 (if we see one).   I think it is more plausible that we will see a new sensor in the XXd and Xd -- either an actually new and improved 18MP sensor that really does have lower-ISO DR improvement and high-ISO performance that are demonstrable for marketing --  more likely with something like a 21 MP count to compete with the Nikon products with their higher MP counts.   Then the T5i would finally get this new sensor a year or so from now.

Expecting a dusted-off 18MP sensor to compete for the next two years or so is not a compelling marketing plan.

[Peerke]

I'm not buying these specs. It isn't possible to have the autofocus from the full frame 5D III on an APS-C 7D II.

Good point.  Physically, it's probably possible, in that the 61-point AF sensor array fits within the APS-C frame (see below).  The side points go right to the edge of the frame, which sounds wonderful - but probably too good to be true, as vignetting and distortion will impact AF performance (one reason why there aren't AF points right to the edge of the frame!).

Not too good to be true, but an extra selling argument for EF (L) lenses on a crop body .