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« Reply #120 on: May 24, 2012, 12:25:07 AM »
cant canon do a 1.3x n 1.6x crop
or 3x 5x n 10x crop features in stills (like it is there on 600D) for a FF body???
wont it make a cheap F body a better n attractive option???
i mean if a cheap rebel can do it on 1.6x sensor cant it be done on a 18/22 FF sensor ???
making it both a FF, an APSH n an APSC owner's "HONEY"

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« Reply #120 on: May 24, 2012, 12:25:07 AM »

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« Reply #121 on: May 24, 2012, 12:30:26 AM »
and keep an eye on this also and what canon has to counter this one

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New/updated Nikon D600 specifications:

24.7MP full frame sensor
Weight: 760g (850g with battery and memory cards), the D800 weights 900g
3.2" LCD with 921K dot with ambient sensor control
HDMI output
Video compression: H264/MPEG-4
Full HD with 30p, 25p, 24p, HD with 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p
Viewfinder coverage: 100% for FX , 97% for Dx
The Nikon D600 will have built-in AF motor
The body most probably will be weather sealed
The D600 may not have built-in GPS as initially reported
ISO range: 100-6400 (with Lo-1 ISO 50 and Hi-2 ISO 25,600)
39 AF points (with an option of 11 AF points), 9 cross-type AF points
AF face detection
Exposure compensation: ±5 EV (same as the D800)
The D600 will probably use the EN-EL15 rechargeable Li-ion battery

The price of the D600 is rumored to be very low - maybe as low as $1500

Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz1vl47D4pM

to me 5d2 in a lil bit pimped body n price in sub $2000 would make it hell of a re-birth ...
« Last Edit: May 24, 2012, 12:34:51 AM by babarasghar »

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« Reply #122 on: May 24, 2012, 12:35:44 AM »
cant canon do a 1.3x n 1.6x crop
or 3x 5x n 10x crop features in stills (like it is there on 600D) for a FF body???
wont it make a cheap F body a better n attractive option???
i mean if a cheap rebel can do it on 1.6x sensor cant it be done on a 18/22 FF sensor ???
making it both a FF, an APSH n an APSC owner's "HONEY"

like nikon? from FX to DX the resolution is greatly reduced ....from 36 to 16 in d800, from 12 to 5 in d700
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« Reply #123 on: May 24, 2012, 12:43:35 AM »
but still ... y we r not keeping an eye on what nikon is gona launch ...
a 24.7 MP FF sensor with FX n DX capability
and look at rumoured price ... even if it is not a realistic figuer considering the price of D3200 but the features r quite interesting for a sub $2000 FF

n even in APSC ... we r seeing a 3rd gen of bodies using same 18mp sensor
with digic 5 NR ... do u guys thing canon would spend more to make a sensor n then keep its size at 18mp?
thats very lame i say ... if i am spending on a new sensor n make it again an 18mp ... why i even made it ...
even DIGIC 5 will give the old 18mp a bit better high ISO performance ... some one who knows in-depth about DIGIC 5 can put us wise as how much this DIGIC 5 will boost the capability of same old 18mp sensor


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« Reply #124 on: May 24, 2012, 12:45:44 AM »
and keep an eye on this also and what canon has to counter this one

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New/updated Nikon D600 specifications:

24.7MP full frame sensor
Weight: 760g (850g with battery and memory cards), the D800 weights 900g
3.2" LCD with 921K dot with ambient sensor control
HDMI output
Video compression: H264/MPEG-4
Full HD with 30p, 25p, 24p, HD with 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p
Viewfinder coverage: 100% for FX , 97% for Dx
The Nikon D600 will have built-in AF motor
The body most probably will be weather sealed
The D600 may not have built-in GPS as initially reported
ISO range: 100-6400 (with Lo-1 ISO 50 and Hi-2 ISO 25,600)
39 AF points (with an option of 11 AF points), 9 cross-type AF points
AF face detection
Exposure compensation: ±5 EV (same as the D800)
The D600 will probably use the EN-EL15 rechargeable Li-ion battery

The price of the D600 is rumored to be very low - maybe as low as $1500

Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz1vl47D4pM

to me 5d2 in a lil bit pimped body n price in sub $2000 would make it hell of a re-birth ...

As low as 1500 bucks huh?  ??? Doesn't matter, they could give them away and I still wouldn't shoot with Nikon. (blech)  ;)
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« Reply #125 on: May 24, 2012, 12:54:34 AM »
offcourse thats what we all canonians want ...
our own dream machine :)

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« Reply #126 on: May 24, 2012, 04:08:54 AM »
If those specs are correct I'm supprized there calling it the D600, looks like it'll either outspec or equal the D700 in most areas.

While I'd love for it to be true $1500 doesnt seem like a very realistic price to me.

The most obvious comeback from Canon to me would be a camera similar in spirit to the 5D mk2, that its a higher MP sensor minus many of the pro features of the 5D mk3.


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« Reply #126 on: May 24, 2012, 04:08:54 AM »

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« Reply #127 on: May 24, 2012, 04:19:05 AM »
and keep an eye on this also and what canon has to counter this one

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New/updated Nikon D600 specifications:

24.7MP full frame sensor
Weight: 760g (850g with battery and memory cards), the D800 weights 900g
3.2" LCD with 921K dot with ambient sensor control
HDMI output
Video compression: H264/MPEG-4
Full HD with 30p, 25p, 24p, HD with 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p
Viewfinder coverage: 100% for FX , 97% for Dx
The Nikon D600 will have built-in AF motor
The body most probably will be weather sealed
The D600 may not have built-in GPS as initially reported
ISO range: 100-6400 (with Lo-1 ISO 50 and Hi-2 ISO 25,600)
39 AF points (with an option of 11 AF points), 9 cross-type AF points
AF face detection
Exposure compensation: ±5 EV (same as the D800)
The D600 will probably use the EN-EL15 rechargeable Li-ion battery

The price of the D600 is rumored to be very low - maybe as low as $1500

Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz1vl47D4pM

to me 5d2 in a lil bit pimped body n price in sub $2000 would make it hell of a re-birth ...

Hmmm, i believe that Nikon will use an already existing (exactly the same D3X ) sensor due to the  final product price tag. If the rumors are correct a $1500-1800 is a very low price for a FF camera with those specs.

In my opinion investing in a new sensor for a quite low price camera is unlikely. More reasonable is to use an already researched  and tested ( cheap to produce due to the already existing instruments) sensor.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2012, 04:23:48 AM by nicku »

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Re: Canon EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« Reply #128 on: May 24, 2012, 04:36:21 AM »
The most obvious comeback from Canon to me would be a camera similar in spirit to the 5D mk2, that its a higher MP sensor minus many of the pro features of the 5D mk3.

I've written this before :-p but again I wish Nikon will kick Canon's a** to release competitive products in the mid price range. Given the resources Canon has, I don't think they'll withdraw from the race, so the only way is forward.

But what are the "pro" features of the 5d3 that only "pros" will need? Good af? 6fps? sealed, durable body? It would be interesting if they cut these specs to that of the 5d2 or even further in some entry ff body.

However, given all the advantages aps-c has (cheaper sensor, longer reach, affordable ultrawides) and that consumers usually won't even max out the current 18mp sensor maybe I am wishing for a 5d2 successor, but Canon will really release a 70d @1400$ and a 7d2 @2000$+

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« Reply #129 on: May 24, 2012, 05:17:40 AM »
I've written this before :-p but again I wish Nikon will kick Canon's a** to release competitive products in the mid price range. Given the resources Canon has, I don't think they'll withdraw from the race, so the only way is forward.

Personally when it comes to FF I'm not really invested in Canon much(only a 100mm macro I bought relatively cheaply used) so if Nikon offer a better cheaper option I'll be switching if/when I upgrade.

I'd agree though it seems like its Canons turn to learn to cater to the prosumer market more effectively the same way Nikon learned to cater to the entry level and higher end markets a few years ago.

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But what are the "pro" features of the 5d3 that only "pros" will need? Good af? 6fps? sealed, durable body? It would be interesting if they cut these specs to that of the 5d2 or even further in some entry ff body.

I don't think you could get away with the 5D mk2's AF anymore personally and I wouldnt expect Canon to take that route given that this seems to be an area there universally upgrading this generation. There is alot of room between that and the 1DX/5D mk3 AF though, 20-30 points widely spaced would I'd guess me enough for many.
The rest of the 5D mk2  plus a high MP sensor seems like it could be a sucess to me though provided the price is right.

To me the sucess of the 5D mk2 and the D800 seem to hint that with amatures resolution is still what sells best, areas like landscape are afterall largely amature or semi pro.

Rather than offering high specs/high MP  and lower specs/lower MP together as Nikon seem to me doing with the D800/D600 offering high MP/lower specs seems like it could be an effective way to target this market. If you take that route Canon could also potentially target the the former 1Ds market aswell if they wanted to, a 1DX body with a higher MP sensor and say 6 FPS would be heavly differentiated from a 5D mk2ish high MP body.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2012, 05:28:40 AM by moreorless »

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« Reply #130 on: May 24, 2012, 12:35:17 PM »
But what are the "pro" features of the 5d3 that only "pros" will need? Good af? 6fps? sealed, durable body? It would be interesting if they cut these specs to that of the 5d2 or even further in some entry ff body.

I dont think the 5DIII has many pro features - it is just a very good all round camera that delivers very good IQ. It may be used for professional purposes but it just doesn't excel at anything.

I 'new cutdown 5DII' would bomb due to the relatively poor AF - perhaps if the AF was limited to the 7D level AF it  would cut it as an updated 5DII.

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« Reply #131 on: May 24, 2012, 02:23:29 PM »
to be honest the D600 from nikon sounds more interesting then all of this...

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« Reply #132 on: May 24, 2012, 03:11:21 PM »
to be honest the D600 from nikon sounds more interesting then all of this...

Nikon fanboys give over exagerated rumour, Canon fanboys are all doom and gloom and develop a mindset that wants to move to Nikon.

And that is before we have ANY information about what is coming. I can guarantee that whatever Canon deliver we will get the Nikon is best fanfare without any objective analysis or facts or hands on based on a Nikon biased website

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« Reply #132 on: May 24, 2012, 03:11:21 PM »

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« Reply #133 on: May 24, 2012, 03:52:07 PM »
I dont think the 5DIII has many pro features - it is just a very good all round camera that delivers very good IQ. It may be used for professional purposes but it just doesn't excel at anything. I 'new cutdown 5DII' would bomb due to the relatively poor AF - perhaps if the AF was limited to the 7D level AF it  would cut it as an updated 5DII.

Exactly what I was thinking - there's not that much to cut from the 5d3 (let alone "pro" features)  since tech has moved on since the release of the 5d2. It'll be interesting to see how Canon will fill the 5d2 gap and compete with Nikon's good aps-c bodies at the same time.

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« Reply #134 on: May 24, 2012, 11:58:03 PM »

Exactly what I was thinking - there's not that much to cut from the 5d3 (let alone "pro" features)  since tech has moved on since the release of the 5d2. It'll be interesting to see how Canon will fill the 5d2 gap and compete with Nikon's good aps-c bodies at the same time.

They don't need to 'cut' features off from the 5DII, they just need to 'upsize' the newest Rebel ( with all its features, build quality and limitations ) and put in a FF sensor ... And you get a perfectly legitimate 'Entry-level Full-frame' camera at an entry-level price.

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« Reply #134 on: May 24, 2012, 11:58:03 PM »