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Re: Canon EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« Reply #195 on: June 01, 2012, 03:51:55 PM »
Before 7D2, I think the sensor in the coming 1DX worths all the attention. If it's BSI, then the current 7D2 speculation could escalated to a new height: a 21-24 MP APS-H BSI sensor? If Canon could do that, I would call it's a tie on sensor technology between the two giants.

As for Roger Clark's chart, I believe it is not appropriate to put sensors of different generations in the same chart. It is pointless. Sencel size matters, but will be decisive only when other technology factors are kept the same.

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« Reply #195 on: June 01, 2012, 03:51:55 PM »

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« Reply #196 on: June 01, 2012, 05:03:01 PM »
I still believe canon will pull something out of its sleeve. they need an ACE IN THE HOLE, and i believe the 7D II may be that ace if it has the following specs. APS-H - 14-18MP

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« Reply #197 on: June 01, 2012, 05:48:56 PM »
I still believe canon will pull something out of its sleeve. they need an ACE IN THE HOLE, and i believe the 7D II may be that ace if it has the following specs. APS-H - 14-18MP

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Let us daydream for while ;) ;).

The 7DII will be out in the next 6-9 months ... with an 1.6x sensor
So, now is the time to daydream.

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« Reply #198 on: June 01, 2012, 06:18:21 PM »
I still believe canon will pull something out of its sleeve. they need an ACE IN THE HOLE, and i believe the 7D II may be that ace if it has the following specs. APS-H - 14-18MP

Hope dies last!

Let us daydream for while ;) ;).

The 7DII will be out in the next 6-9 months ... with an 1.6x sensor
So, now is the time to daydream.

nice :D  In order to label this camera a "7D2" it would have to (it seems to me) be a 1.6x, and continue the current stratification of the 1.6x line into three distinct product lines.   But as long as we're daydreaming, consider the "indirect competition" advantage of APS-H suggested by Lonebear, perhaps called a 7DX or even some new single digit number.  what if Canon pulls an APS-H fast one on us (in spite of this site's owner who postulates that APS-H is dead), and introduces a new 22mp APS-H, 12fps ,dual digic 5, weather sealed, spot metering, AF-updated worthy successor to the venerable 1D4.  Whether they leverage the 7D body or the 1D body doens't matter to me either :D

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Re: Canon EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« Reply #199 on: June 01, 2012, 06:26:51 PM »
I still believe canon will pull something out of its sleeve. they need an ACE IN THE HOLE, and i believe the 7D II may be that ace if it has the following specs. APS-H - 14-18MP

Hope dies last!

Let us daydream for while ;) ;).

The 7DII will be out in the next 6-9 months ... with an 1.6x sensor
So, now is the time to daydream.

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Re: Canon EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« Reply #200 on: June 01, 2012, 10:03:28 PM »
Let us daydream for while ;) ;).

nice :D 

Sure thing ;).

Seriously, though, people on this thread want a 1DIV ... for a third of the price of the 1DIV.
That's classic!

Also seriously, I have no idea what Canon will do with the 7DII.

The word on the street is that the 5DII will be discontinued by the end of the year.
If Canon is planning to keep the 5DIII price high after the 5DII is discontinued, then it must be planning an advanced camera to fill-in the gap between the Rebels/60D and the super-expensive 5DIII.

But by the end of the year, Nikon will have the D600 - an entry level FF camera for $2K.
This leaves Canon little room in terms of specs & price for the advanced camera that will sit below the 5DIII in the lineup. 

If Canon is planning to charge around $2K for this camera, then it's not impossible that this will be the 7DII ... with a FF sensor.
Otherwise, the 7D will just be discontinued and the 70D, priced at $1500 max, will take its place.
In that case the 5DIII price will also have to be reduced to be more competitive with the D600/D800 combo.

Finally, it's not impossible that Canon will pull a "5DIII" and release a 7DII ... with a crop sensor and priced at around $2K.
I know for sure what I'll be doing in this case  8).
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« Reply #201 on: June 01, 2012, 11:11:13 PM »
OK, 7D, no flash, ISO 800,  1/664 sec, f8 with Canon EF-s 60mm macro. HAND-HELD, NO IS! Fast? Not hardly for the ISO setting (AND f8!!) and NO flash and NO IS and hand held!

This is after the Canon repair of course. :D

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Just curious, did you push the fill light on that file? It looks a little bright and noisy in the BG...

I shot in RAW and did minimal processing using Canon DPP to convert to JPEG. No noise reduction, no brightness adjustment. That photo of the mama hummingbird was shot at the Arizona Sonoran Desert Museum where flash photography is seriously frowned upon (you can be asked to leave if you use flash) in the hummingbird aviary when young hummers are present. The hummers like to hide in the shade and you have to use very high ISO and low f-numbers to get the perfect shot.

I am sorry for changing the tune of this thread discussing my focus issue. Glad to see it went back to the discussion of a "new" 7D2.

I would figure that any new high MP ASP-C (24-36MP) camera from Canon would be the 7D2. High MP, fast shooting, (8-10 FPS) but being ASP-C it would put it under any FF camera and would target budget sports shooters, like the 7D classic did. Around $1600-$1800. Logical road map I think...

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« Reply #202 on: June 02, 2012, 08:08:23 AM »
Its way to hard to guess specs any more... I'm just praying for either a 70D or 7D2 at around 1500 that can do 7FPS, better image quality through 3600 ISO and somewhere between 19-40 AF points.  Metal body would be nice also.
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« Reply #203 on: June 03, 2012, 09:54:40 AM »
It would be quite interesting to know why actually Canon has put the APS-H apart. It's a very nice compromise between APS-C and FF. Too nice, maybe?

To be honest, I doubt the new 7D2 would be anything different from an APS-C. We still have to figure out if the sensor is going to be a new one or the old one.

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« Reply #204 on: June 08, 2012, 09:18:05 AM »
am i allowed to start dreaming about this again now the 650D has been announced?  Might give some hints as to what to expect if the 7D2 were to come about.


The new 18MP hybrid APS-C sensor, the new video perks, touchscreen etc (who knows about whether it would be vari-angle though)


All this on top of the standard increases, maybe an extra fps or 2, better iso performance, Digic 5(+) or 2!  Keep it all packaged in a roughly similar body to the 7D (Mag alloy etc).


Here's hoping Photokina brings something nice for us all :)

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Re: Canon EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« Reply #205 on: June 08, 2012, 09:29:03 AM »

The new 18MP hybrid APS-C sensor, the new video perks, touchscreen etc (who knows about whether it would be vari-angle though)


All this on top of the standard increases, maybe an extra fps or 2, better iso performance, Digic 5(+) or 2!  Keep it all packaged in a roughly similar body to the 7D (Mag alloy etc).


Here's hoping Photokina brings something nice for us all :)

My hopes for the 70D and 7D2 are the new 22mp sensor we've heard rumors of.  70D getting Digic 5+ and 7D2 getting 2x 5+ so that would leave 70D at 7 or 8 FPS and   7D2 at 10FPS 

I'd be fine with 18mp too I just want useable RAW ISO 3200
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« Reply #206 on: June 08, 2012, 09:40:37 AM »
I'd be fine with 18mp too I just want useable RAW ISO 3200

I'm sure Canon will include the new multi-exposure jpeg noise reduction feature from the 650d in upcoming bodies, if that's what you want :-o ... they might even throw in 5d3's hdr mode to market away their problems in the dr & noise department, just be sure that the world around you doesn't move while shooting.

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« Reply #207 on: June 08, 2012, 09:47:30 AM »
I'd be fine with 18mp too I just want useable RAW ISO 3200

I'm sure Canon will include the new multi-exposure jpeg noise reduction feature from the 650d in upcoming bodies, if that's what you want :-o ... they might even throw in 5d3's hdr mode to market away their problems in the dr & noise department, just be sure that the world around you doesn't move while shooting.

This would work just with JPG and not with RAW, and sure as hell it's going to cost a lot in terms of sharpness. It will be good for JPG shooters who doesn't post-process, for the rest of us it will be as useless as picture styles and such things.

I find unlikely that the new crops will have a different sensor since in the past 550D, 600D, 60D and 7D all shared the same sensor. We should wait for a review to see how this new sensor performs.

BTW, ISO 3200 on a crop is way too much for the actual technology. Give me a fully usable ISO 1600 and I'm happy.

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« Reply #208 on: June 08, 2012, 09:53:16 AM »

I find unlikely that the new crops will have a different sensor since in the past 550D, 600D, 60D and 7D all shared the same sensor. We should wait for a review to see how this new sensor performs.

BTW, ISO 3200 on a crop is way too much for the actual technology. Give me a fully usable ISO 1600 and I'm happy.

I get a little bit frustrated, I see some people say they shoot 1600 on a 7D all day long, and others complain... same with just about every other camera I see... I've been considereing 5D2, 7D and 70D for a while and I see all sorts of different things.

I see a picture from a 7D at ISO 1000 or so and say to myself that looks nice, and then see 5D2 owners saying how horrible the 7D was at anything above 200.    I myself have a 450D so I have no clue what to think at times.
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« Reply #209 on: June 08, 2012, 10:42:27 AM »

I find unlikely that the new crops will have a different sensor since in the past 550D, 600D, 60D and 7D all shared the same sensor. We should wait for a review to see how this new sensor performs.

BTW, ISO 3200 on a crop is way too much for the actual technology. Give me a fully usable ISO 1600 and I'm happy.

I get a little bit frustrated, I see some people say they shoot 1600 on a 7D all day long, and others complain... same with just about every other camera I see... I've been considereing 5D2, 7D and 70D for a while and I see all sorts of different things.

I see a picture from a 7D at ISO 1000 or so and say to myself that looks nice, and then see 5D2 owners saying how horrible the 7D was at anything above 200.    I myself have a 450D so I have no clue what to think at times.

Don't get frustrated, image quality is a subjective thing.  If you're happy with the results that a camera gives at the ISO ratings you use, then it's the camera for you.  Never listen to anyone else's opinion on image quality -unless of course, they are a paying customer!  ;)

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