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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2012, 10:06:41 PM »
I am now officially selling my Canon gear. I will be writing Canon a letter (via mail) and let them know that I have been waiting since 2008 for a sub $2000 body worth upgrading to.
They have been dragging their feet with incremental upgrades and substantial price hikes.

Enough is enough! I am taking my money elsewhere!

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2012, 10:06:41 PM »

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2012, 11:56:53 PM »
In all honesty, since fewer people actual swap brands than imagined, the D600 (if true as spec'd) will eat mostly into other Nikon sales, especially D800 and D3X.  I know Nikon shooters who do not want 36 MP and are waiting for a lower MP full frame body.

I do not know about this.  I have seen many polls on many photo websites where most people indicate that they have between 1 & 2 lenses.  With an entry level FF conceivably targeted at the Crop upgrader, these 1-2 lenses are most likely EFS in any case.  So an upgrade to FF means new lenses to most people, so there isn't really "swapping systems" and a cheap Nikon might just steal a lot of Canonites as well

5DII in not mutch more expensive, quite similar spec. And you don't have to wait to get it.
I think 5DII will shortly be less expensive, becoming entry level FF for a few month, till a new cheaper body will be relased.
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Why, since the 5DIII, do so many people see a 3-4 year old camera to be Canon's answer to the entry level FF market.  And really, it is in no way similarly specced to the rumoured Nikon

I for one would appreciate a rebel FF. Only Canon I would upgrade to new - the rest is kijiji for me
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2012, 12:53:05 AM »
Bodies come and go. Canon glass is great.
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2012, 01:50:09 AM »
Go for it... no ones holding you back

Of course this is the message of the day in a Canon enthusiast forum, if people aren't prepared to pay $3500 for an up-to date camera body, it's their own fault. But seriously, if there aren't any hidden drawbacks and the price would be indeed around $1500, Canon is toast in the mid-range segment, and rightly so.

The 5d2 with its af isn't comparable, though it runs magic lantern which is the reason I got a Canon dslr in the first place. I'm holding back any further Canon purchases until the very moment I really need them to see what Canon does next.
I used to be a big fan of Canon camera.  Recently I actually have stopped my Canon upgrade after I see 3.5K 5D3 and 2.3K 24-70mm MK2.  I might really switch to Nikon if Canon still tries to make more money from its royal customer.
To awinphoto:
We all want both Canon and Nikon make better and cheaper cameras for us.  Don't be so childish.

I am OK with a 3.5K 5D3. It's absolutely amazing. A 2.3K 24-70 is a little too much. Actually it does not appear that you have invested a lot on Canon's glass. Those amazing lenses have very good resale values. Maybe it's time to switch to D800. Or you can give the 5d3 a try first. It's amazing.

spoken like a true fanboy!

so, you are saying the D600 with those specs at under $1500 is NOT worth, but the Canon 5D MKIII at more than double the price, $3500 is worth it?

spoken like a true fanboy!

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2012, 01:54:34 AM »
If the rumored specs prove true and the D600 sells for $1,500, I will be very impressed. In the meantime, I'm holding out hope for a $1,500 Hasselblad ;D

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2012, 02:01:41 AM »
If the rumored specs prove true and the D600 sells for $1,500, I will be very impressed. In the meantime, I'm holding out hope for a $1,500 Hasselblad ;D

And I am holding out for a mint 427 AC Cobra replica for $1500 and Ford will be toast

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2012, 02:13:42 AM »
If the rumor is true a 24MP FF with those specs well under $2000 i will strongly consider switching to Nikon ( despite the fact i will loose a lot of money switching the lens).

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2012, 02:16:24 AM »
If the rumor is true a 24MP FF with those specs well under $2000 i will strongly consider switching to Nikon ( despite the fact i will loose a lot of money switching the lens).

I love the mindset where Nikon rumours get people to start switching when the known upgrade from Canon hasn't been anounced

Are people in such a hurry to switch that they cant wait?

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2012, 03:04:47 AM »
If D600 is true then i think canon is pretty f..ed ...they stuck with 22 MP..i dont see any new FF camera for 1500 ..only thing they can reduce the 5d2 price to 1500..i don't see any new replacement of 5d2 ..even if they come with lower MP new FF for 1500 still D600 going to be a killer camera for the price..


If the rumor is true a 24MP FF with those specs well under $2000 i will strongly consider switching to Nikon ( despite the fact i will loose a lot of money switching the lens).

I love the mindset where Nikon rumours get people to start switching when the known upgrade from Canon hasn't been anounced

Are people in such a hurry to switch that they cant wait?

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2012, 03:26:48 AM »
If the rumor is true a 24MP FF with those specs well under $2000 i will strongly consider switching to Nikon ( despite the fact i will loose a lot of money switching the lens).

I love the mindset where Nikon rumours get people to start switching when the known upgrade from Canon hasn't been anounced

Are people in such a hurry to switch that they cant wait?

People are getting disappointed when D800 and 5D3 released.  5D3 is overpriced and looks D800 is better than 5D3 from many reviews.  If Canon is just want to make money from its existing customers, Canon will see many of its customer switch to Nikon.  I am one of the Canon users considering to switch to Nikon.  I am just waiting to see how Canon response to Nikon D600.  39 AF points are already good enough for me.  I don't really need 61 AF points.  I have not problem to sell my 24-70mm because I don't really like it anyway.  However, I might miss my 70-200mm MK2 if I really switch to Nikon.

Here is my true reason.  I want to switch Nikon is not because Nikon makes better cameras.  I want to switch to Nikon because Canon disappoints me.  I feel Canon want to take advantage from its existing customers(at least me)  I know many PROs have too many Canon lenses, so that will be very difficult to switch Nikon.  However, Canon will see Nikon gets many of its non-PRO users.  Two of 5D2 owners in my company(one is me) are really considering to switch to Nikon.  We recently are doing our homework for Nikon lenses.  Canon have better wake up before many of its customers switch to Nikon.
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2012, 04:02:14 AM »
If the rumor is true a 24MP FF with those specs well under $2000 i will strongly consider switching to Nikon ( despite the fact i will loose a lot of money switching the lens).

I love the mindset where Nikon rumours get people to start switching when the known upgrade from Canon hasn't been anounced

Are people in such a hurry to switch that they cant wait?

First of all i make a living out of photography; If the rumors are true and Canon will do nothing about it than i will do what is the best for my business (regardless the fact that i use Canons cameras for about 10 years and i love Canon DSLR's). I don't afford (yet) flagship cameras like 1DS mk3, 1DX or Nikon D3X, so i will do what is the best for me and my business.

PS. i said that i will consider,....
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2012, 04:13:35 AM »
People are getting disappointed when D800 and 5D3 released.  5D3 is overpriced and looks D800 is better than 5D3 from many reviews.  If Canon is just want to make money from its existing customers, Canon will see many of its customer switch to Nikon.  I am one of the Canon users considering to switch to Nikon 
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Here is my true reason.  I want to switch Nikon is not because Nikon makes better cameras.  I want to switch to Nikon because Canon disappoints me.  I feel Canon want to take advantage from its existing customers (at least me)  I know many PROs have too many Canon lenses, so that will be very difficult to switch Nikon.  However, Canon will see Nikon gets many of its non-PRO users. 
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+1 to that!

I have been a Canon non-pro user ever since my first DSLR [350D/Rebel XT] to my current 7D and this is exactly, where  I stand now.

Nikon has scored big time with the D800. The 5D3 is not bad, but essentially only what the 5D2 should have been from the start (adequate AF-system). Sensor-wise its a minimal improvement. And it gets blown out of the water by the D800 not only in terms of resolution but more importantly to me, in DR at the most used lower ISOs. There is no doubt whatsoever that the 5D 3 is way overpriced while it outta be less expensive than a D800. 

If Nikon now doubles that up with a D600 at around 1.5k and if its sensor also creams the 5D3 - which I fully expect - than Canon will indeed "be toast" in the all-important non-pro, photo-enthusiast segment of the market. That is us, the guys who buy by far the largest share of higher-end, high-margin lenses and speedlites, as well as future cameras. :-)

Especially "FF upgraders" coming from Canon APS-C with mainly EF-lenses, that they need to sell anyway, WILL be switching to Nikon in large numbers, as soon as a good, affordable D600 comes out.  And while Nikon glass was generally somewhat more expensive than comparable Canon glass up until about 4 years ago, it has turned the other way round by now after many rounds of massive Canon price hikes.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2012, 04:49:57 AM »
so, you are saying the D600 with those specs at under $1500 is NOT worth, but the Canon 5D MKIII at more than double the price, $3500 is worth it?

The "worth it" discussion is pointless, because worth doesn't only concern if the camera fits one's requirements, but also simply how the financial background is. However, I recently asked myself if Canon didn't mess up the other way around: The could have sold the 5d3 at $4000 and most people would have still bought it!

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2012, 05:02:09 AM »
I have no problem with people moving to Nikon. However I do think that the constant putting down of Canon to justify moving to Nikon with so called 'facts' to justify their move is not appropriate on a Canon Rumours forum. I dont logon to this forum to join in with speculation/rumours about Nikon kit.

You dont hear me critisicing Canon, Nikon or any of the other manufacturers. I have a lot of old kit which one might say is ready for replacement (from a technology point of view).

I dont say that the 5DIII is overpriced - that is a purely subjective point of view.

I dont say that the D800 is a great camera and the 5DIII is rubbish because again that is a purely subjective point of view

I cannot even say that I will upgrade 'to get the best' because I am nowhere near achieving the potential from my existing kit (even though I could fancy the latest and greatist and upgrade)

Older technologies still deliver, and deliver cheaply. My 1Ds3 is now worth about the same as a new 5DII. I would consider the 1DS3 an upgrade from a 5DII -  for my photographic needs. In fact I did upgrade my 5DII to the 1DS3 when I heard the 5DIII specification - because it met my needs better. When making the decision it was made entirely on the basis of the offering from Canon. I am not angry or disappointed with Canon because the 5DIII did not meet my needs. If none of the offerings met my needs I would have had 3 options:

1. Not upgrading - the 5DII gave high IQ images, so from that point of view I didn't need to upgrade. I did loads of weddings and christenings with it without a problem

2. Wait to see if anything else was coming along - the existing kit still gave the same good IQ

3. See if any other manufacturers offerings met my needs. Unlike most, I have bought most of my kit used so I would not 'lose' a lot of money on the existing kit. Obviously moving manufacturer is a lot more than buying a new camera.

It would have been sad to move away from Canon because I have nearly 20 year experience with them - but to feel angy or disappointed with them - definitely not. And I wouldn't vent my anger against them on a Canon Forum either as they have given me a good ride for 20 years. Switching camps is one thing, abusing the other camp is another.

I have 3 cameras and a bunch of lens that are outdated but they are upto anything I would like to do.

I wonder whether sometimes people upgrade because they believe that it is the kit which is as fault rather than their ability. I bought the best kit I could afford and then started working on getting the best images and I know I haven't got there yet - I wish sometimes other people in my position would focus on improving their photographic skills rather than moan about their kit and say how the latest will improve their photos - when in fact after upgrading they just churn out the same old photos they did on their old kit - and then vent their anger at the manufacturers about the poor kit.

The 7D 'soft focus' issue was 90% user error IMHO. I have 'fixed' so many 7D's which were 'rubbish' - the 7D I have at the moment I got cheap because it 'had the problem'. It is a cracking little camera, spot on AF and decent IQ. Yet Canon got so much stick because of this. This is another case of mass hysteria - one or two people got a faulty AF unit - and vented their anger long and loud on the forums so that suddenly all the useless owners thought they had the same problem and they vented their anger on the forums until it sprialled nearly out of control. Shades of the 5DIII 'light leak' methinks.

Bottom line is:

If you dont like the offering dont buy it
If you dont like the offering it isn't the manufacturers fault
If enough people dont like the offerings then the manufacturers will offer something else or go bust
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2012, 06:57:56 AM »
5DII in not mutch more expensive, quite similar spec. And you don't have to wait to get it.
I think 5DII will shortly be less expensive, becoming entry level FF for a few month, till a new cheaper body will be relased.
Diego

this D600 is a NEW camera.

given the latest sensor performance from sony/nikon i guess this will beat the 5D MK2 sensor.
not to mention the AF.

so im not very tempted to buy a 4 year old camera over the D600.
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