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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #120 on: May 28, 2012, 03:04:37 PM »
I wouldn't buy a D800 because of the 4fps - that is to slow for what I need. My friend and I go shooting together and we have totally different styles - he has a 5DIII and thinks it is the dog's b's - over the weekend he wasnt trying to get the moment when a glider was just lifting off when being towed - which was when the full 10fps was needed. Horses for courses.

Why not consider D800 a 5fps camera? Yes, with a grip and DX crop but that's still cheaper than the 5D3 with more pixels!

What's really amazing is that somehow some people rate 1fps difference more precious than 36MP and 14.5 stops of dynamic range... Wow...

Well then again you get the extra FPS but at a cost. Sometimes it's more important to others, sometimes not. Sometimes color rendition is more important, which canon is generally better from most testers, sometimes the AF, which canon takes the slight edge assuming you don't need the F8 shooting with certain lens combos. Sometimes the processing, video, and ergonomics are more important. Sometimes it's the service that matters or the other lens options.  No one is equal and others will prefer the nikons latitude and extra workflow needed to handle 36mp files are more important. It is what it is.

There are probably 3 different camps of photographers who actually are able to afford these cameras. 15-20% there the canon is best for what they shoot, how they shoot and needs and expectations. 15-20% whom the Nikon rules. And 60-70% whom either camera would suffice and go over and beyond their own personal experience level. No one camp is more correct than the other and it doesn't make one better than others, it just is the way it is.
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #120 on: May 28, 2012, 03:04:37 PM »

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« Reply #121 on: May 28, 2012, 03:17:51 PM »
i think people just say more FPS but more than 90% photos posted on web are either static or landscape  or portraits.. and i don't know how many people really use high speed mode all the time ..i am sure less than 20 percent of the time..but for the sake of arguing they say they use.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #122 on: May 28, 2012, 03:20:26 PM »
i think people just say more FPS but more than 90% photos posted on web are either static or landscape  or portraits.. and i don't know how many people really use high speed mode all the time ..i am sure less than 20 percent of the time..but for the sake of arguing they say they use.

Well shoot, how many 7d shooters use all 8FPS on a regular situation?  It's nice to have when you need it
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #123 on: May 28, 2012, 03:26:24 PM »
i think people just say more FPS but more than 90% photos posted on web are either static or landscape  or portraits.. and i don't know how many people really use high speed mode all the time ..i am sure less than 20 percent of the time..but for the sake of arguing they say they use.

I agree many people value specs they'd do without - but it's not fps, because it's not only used for continuous shooting until the buffer is full. I often use 0,5-1ev 3x bracketing bursts either for exposure fusion or to make sure the exposure is spot-on in one of them. Also there is always something wrong in non-static scenes, so it's good to have 2 backup shots. For these, I'd like to have more fps because they'd be in closer succession.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #124 on: May 28, 2012, 03:34:25 PM »
up to 5 years ago I would have agreed. But since then a lot has changed. Nikon has been making big time gains with lenses that I am interested in:

24-70 ... Nikon is better than Canon Mk. I and it remains to be seen how much better Canon Mk. II will be
14-24 ... Nikon is absolutely unmatched, Canon 16-35 II is a total loser by comparison 
85/1.8 ... new Nikon rules supreme at very affordable price
24-120 ... Nikon has now basically matched Canon 24-105

I do not need and will not buy super-teles. For occasional rentals the Nikons would do just as well as Canon. f/1.2 lenses ...  I consider them "nice", but not offering enough advantage over 1.4 Nikon lenses (e.g. 85/1.2 vs. 85/1.4) and the 50/1.2 is a dud. Fisheye ... I would not need or want a zoom, 8-15 ... unnecessary for me. Canon does have a major advantage with TS-E 17/4 and 24 II. I guess, Nikon will update their PCE T/S lenses soon and will probably match Canon in that area as well.

I have been waiting for years for a newly designed Canon 100-400/4-5.6 with latest generation IS and somewhat better optical qualities while retaining an affordable price tag ... but Canon is just not listening there. And while they refuse to update the aged 100-400, which would be a mega-seller with 10.000s of units a year sold, they pour resourcesinto such lenses as the new and utterly unnecessary 24/2.8 IS and 28/2.8 IS and in a 24-70 without IS, but a huge price tag.

I agree that the Nikon 14-24mm is an awesome lens and it would be nice if Canon had a comparable offering.  But you talk about everything else like it's crap just because you personally don't need or want it.  The world doesn't revolve around you, Canon makes decisions based on profitability and what the majority wants.  And since when has the Canon 85 1.8 been a bad lens?  For the money I thought that lens was amazing and can't imagine the Nikon being that much better (not to mention they are the same price).  Either way you should be able to take awesome pictures with ANY of the lenses you mentioned, if you can't then a new version isn't going to be much help. 

We get it, you hate the 5DIII, you hate Canon lenses and you want to make sweet love to the D800.  That's ok, but I just don't get why you are complaining about it on a Canon Rumor site.  Nikon clearly is a better choice for you and I think you would be a happier person if you sold your Canon gear and bought Nikon gear.   
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #125 on: May 28, 2012, 03:53:53 PM »
up to 5 years ago I would have agreed. But since then a lot has changed. Nikon has been making big time gains with lenses that I am interested in:

24-70 ... Nikon is better than Canon Mk. I and it remains to be seen how much better Canon Mk. II will be
14-24 ... Nikon is absolutely unmatched, Canon 16-35 II is a total loser by comparison 
85/1.8 ... new Nikon rules supreme at very affordable price
24-120 ... Nikon has now basically matched Canon 24-105

I do not need and will not buy super-teles. For occasional rentals the Nikons would do just as well as Canon. f/1.2 lenses ...  I consider them "nice", but not offering enough advantage over 1.4 Nikon lenses (e.g. 85/1.2 vs. 85/1.4) and the 50/1.2 is a dud. Fisheye ... I would not need or want a zoom, 8-15 ... unnecessary for me. Canon does have a major advantage with TS-E 17/4 and 24 II. I guess, Nikon will update their PCE T/S lenses soon and will probably match Canon in that area as well.

I have been waiting for years for a newly designed Canon 100-400/4-5.6 with latest generation IS and somewhat better optical qualities while retaining an affordable price tag ... but Canon is just not listening there. And while they refuse to update the aged 100-400, which would be a mega-seller with 10.000s of units a year sold, they pour resourcesinto such lenses as the new and utterly unnecessary 24/2.8 IS and 28/2.8 IS and in a 24-70 without IS, but a huge price tag.

I agree that the Nikon 14-24mm is an awesome lens and it would be nice if Canon had a comparable offering.  But you talk about everything else like it's crap just because you personally don't need or want it.  The world doesn't revolve around you, Canon makes decisions based on profitability and what the majority wants.  And since when has the Canon 85 1.8 been a bad lens?  For the money I thought that lens was amazing and can't imagine the Nikon being that much better.  Either way you should be able to take awesome pictures with ANY of the lenses you mentioned, if you can't then a new version isn't going to be much help. 

We get it, you hate the 5DIII, you hate Canon lenses and you want to have sex with the D800.  That's ok, but I just don't get why you are complaining about it on a Canon Rumor site.  SHUT UP AND SWITCH TO NIKON ALREADY!

Haha +1

That said let me say a quick prayer,

Lord forgive us for our transgressions and Prepare us for the ass chewing we are about to receive from all the Nikon fanboys
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #126 on: May 28, 2012, 04:07:31 PM »
We get it, you hate the 5DIII, you hate Canon lenses and you want to have sex with the D800.  That's ok, but I just don't get why you are complaining about it on a Canon Rumor site.  SHUT UP AND SWITCH TO NIKON ALREADY!

You're ignoring the most sacred forum rule: Don't feed the troll or you might become one, too. We won't have to wait for long to have tons of real Nikon "fanboys" around if Canon enthusiasts are provoked that easily once Nikon's products may have a slight edge... which is regrettable, because I don't see how "Canon rumors" cannot be a good place where rumors that place Canon at a disadvantage are disproven, too.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #127 on: May 28, 2012, 04:08:47 PM »
What's really amazing is that somehow some people rate 1fps difference more precious than 36MP and 14.5 stops of dynamic range... Wow...
I find it amazing too.
I guess for some it is a big deal. For others, I think they will justify anything Canon puts out.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #128 on: May 28, 2012, 04:14:35 PM »
after more research noticed d600 is a dx format camera.
so would be direct competition to the 60d or upcoming 70d
so we will for sure se a nice update to the 70d af system.
Canon should update the sensor too. This is a first time buyer
segment where many users will buy the camera with the kit.
Good news for the 60d/7d users

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #129 on: May 28, 2012, 04:44:42 PM »
the canon 60d price was (correct me if i wrong) 1099$..we are talking about a rumored camera at 1500$ (optimistic price that would kill d700 instantly)
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #130 on: May 28, 2012, 04:53:28 PM »
after more research noticed d600 is a dx format camera.

Where did you get this from? If I search for it the main source nikonrumors says it's full frame (fx). The next dx camera will probably be a d7000 update.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #131 on: May 28, 2012, 05:16:06 PM »
Well yesterday i asked a staff member in London Camera Exchange in Charing Cross about D600. I was told it is coming for sure (so it is not a rumor) but it will be DX camera!!! It’s 24MP sensor is well known – we can find it in NEX7, Alfa77 and D3200.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #132 on: May 28, 2012, 05:24:11 PM »
What's really amazing is that somehow some people rate 1fps difference more precious than 36MP and 14.5 stops of dynamic range... Wow...

+1
Exactly my thought.
The 5D3 is a great camera within its scope, the D800 is a great camera in every respect.
The ridiculous fact is that the D800 is 500$ cheaper, while it should be the other way around.
The amount of flaws you can accept is of course heavily dependent on the price you pay. Round 5D3's price tag 1000$ down and we all will agree that it's an amazing camera in every respect.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #132 on: May 28, 2012, 05:24:11 PM »

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #133 on: May 28, 2012, 05:35:15 PM »
I was told it is coming for sure (so it is not a rumor) but it will be DX camera!!! It’s 24MP sensor is well known

Alas, the Canon world is saved again if it's really only dx. Personally however, I'd wished for a fx body because it would have put pressure on Canon to follow suite and replace the 5d2 with something competitive - I am sure the 5d2 will not be around forever, if because of the name alone.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #134 on: May 28, 2012, 05:44:32 PM »
I wouldn't buy a D800 because of the 4fps - that is to slow for what I need. My friend and I go shooting together and we have totally different styles - he has a 5DIII and thinks it is the dog's b's - over the weekend he wasnt trying to get the moment when a glider was just lifting off when being towed - which was when the full 10fps was needed. Horses for courses.

Why not consider D800 a 5fps camera? Yes, with a grip and DX crop but that's still cheaper than the 5D3 with more pixels!

What's really amazing is that somehow some people rate 1fps difference more precious than 36MP and 14.5 stops of dynamic range... Wow...

Camera 1 - sports, general purpose

1. I need 10fps

2. I dont need more mps

3. I dont need more DR

4. I dont want ff

Camera 2 - portrait

1. I need 5fps

2. 21mps is enough

3. I dont need more DR

I would prefer a 300 f/2.8 II to a d800

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #134 on: May 28, 2012, 05:44:32 PM »