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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #225 on: June 09, 2012, 04:13:35 PM »
since my switch to the big N

Good, Canon-trusting people of EOS land! Get out the holy water, wooden stakes and garlic and go for him!

i dont think garlic would be effective...it's effective just against vampires and as an 800 owner he cant be a vampire ;)
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #225 on: June 09, 2012, 04:13:35 PM »

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« Reply #226 on: June 11, 2012, 05:06:08 PM »
An A/F motor in the BODY!!! You mean like Minolta used to have and got nothing but grief for?  No, no, Nikon, A/F motors belong in the LENS.  This is 2012, right?

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #227 on: June 11, 2012, 06:47:44 PM »
AF motor in the body is so that the old school nikon lenses will work
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #228 on: June 11, 2012, 06:57:34 PM »
AF motor in the body is so that the old school nikon lenses will work

So much for the trolls claim than Canon is out of date ....  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #229 on: June 12, 2012, 07:02:45 AM »
since my switch to the big N

Good, Canon-trusting people of EOS land! Get out the holy water, wooden stakes and garlic and go for him!

i dont think garlic would be effective...it's effective just against vampires and as an 800 owner he cant be a vampire ;)

 ;D funny. But Nikon is the land of vampires.... and they are resonably old vampires, nearly 5 years since turning. I've never been much of one. Maybe that's why I'm fleeing the canon lands?

AF motor in the body is so that the old school nikon lenses will work

So much for the trolls claim than Canon is out of date ....  ;D ;D ;D

still not confirmed but I hope not. I never understood nikonian's obsession with lenses they don't buy or own anyways. It's like 1% of the population wants a feature and it is so vocal, yet every lens worth shooting with moved to USM long ago. Nikon just needs to do away with the added cost of that motor drive and let whoever is holding off to ancient nikon lenses to buy the more pricier cameras. They will complain about some lower end body not having a feature yet they will just buy the high end D4 anyways. what's the point then!

this should be a budget FF dslr for people that only own USM/SWM glass anyways. do away with that drive.
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #230 on: June 14, 2012, 06:09:13 AM »
Some D600 images just leaked

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #231 on: June 16, 2012, 12:08:50 AM »
Kudos to Nikon if they can bring the D600 to market at the rumored price and with the rumored specs. Whatever entry-level FF body Canon comes out with in response will be my next backup body ;D

Nikon is pulling out all the stops this round, so it wouldn't surprise me if they pulled it off. Prior to the D800's release, many people thought a 36 mp FF body with a 51-point AF system and dual slots would cost $4K, but the rumored price of $3K was spot on.

Even as a Canon shooter, I don't see what there is to get upset about. Competition is a beautiful thing :)


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« Reply #231 on: June 16, 2012, 12:08:50 AM »

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #232 on: June 16, 2012, 12:15:01 AM »
Even as a Canon shooter, I don't see what there is to get upset about. Competition is a beautiful thing :)

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #233 on: June 16, 2012, 02:55:18 AM »
Even as a Canon shooter, I don't see what there is to get upset about. Competition is a beautiful thing :)

This is a positively refreshing take and exactly what this forum needs. Thank you.  :)

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #234 on: June 16, 2012, 10:07:01 AM »

Even as a Canon shooter, I don't see what there is to get upset about. Competition is a beautiful thing :)

It's also a nice message to send to companies: bring out great gear at a fair price, and we'll buy it.


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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #235 on: June 16, 2012, 03:05:28 PM »
It's also a nice message to send to companies: bring out great gear at a fair price, and we'll buy it.

Precisely. If Canon loses market share because of the D600 and D800, it will force Canon to up their game. I own Canon gear, not Canon stock. As such, I don't care what other people shoot with, but Canon shooters can only benefit if Canon has some real competition. For many years, Canon didn't have any real competition. So here's to hoping that Nikon keeps pushing the envelope of technology and value, forcing Canon to keep pace.   

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #236 on: June 16, 2012, 03:21:20 PM »
It's also a nice message to send to companies: bring out great gear at a fair price, and we'll buy it.

Precisely. If Canon loses market share because of the D600 and D800, it will force Canon to up their game. I own Canon gear, not Canon stock. As such, I don't care what other people shoot with, but Canon shooters can only benefit if Canon has some real competition. For many years, Canon didn't have any real competition. So here's to hoping that Nikon keeps pushing the envelope of technology and value, forcing Canon to keep pace.

Exactly!
Canon has been a bit too much on the pricey side lately. My biggest complaint about the 5D3 is - in facts - its price.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #237 on: June 16, 2012, 03:33:33 PM »
Precisely. If Canon loses market share because of the D600 and D800, it will force Canon to up their game.

Companies don't want the largest market share unless it's a monopoly, they want the biggest profit. And being a premium vendor with a dedicated but smaller customer base is much safer and profitable (like Porsche) than having a great market share but being on the edge of going bust because your customers are cheapos (like Nokia).

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« Reply #237 on: June 16, 2012, 03:33:33 PM »

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #238 on: June 17, 2012, 01:35:39 AM »
Companies don't want the largest market share unless it's a monopoly, they want the biggest profit. And being a premium vendor with a dedicated but smaller customer base is much safer and profitable (like Porsche) than having a great market share but being on the edge of going bust because your customers are cheapos (like Nokia).

You're right, making money is priority #1 for companies, but to generalize that profit margins are more important than market share is silly. I'm no economist, but I'd venture to say that it's balancing act market share, sales volume, and profit margins.

Since you brought up Porsche, I'll point out that it's a company that's teetered on the brink of financial collapse many times throughout it's history. Likewise, Ferrari is owned by Fiat. As for Lamborghini, Bugatti, and Rolls Royce, they're all owned by Volkswagen. Proud British marques like Jaguar and Land Rover are owned by Tata motors. So the only way these glamorous and super exclusive marques that subscribe to the low-volume, high-profit margin business model can stay in business is to tap into the coffers of parent companies that build pedestrian, low-profit margin products in very high volume. This doesn't even take into account the economies of scale factor, which lowers production costs and increases profit margins more than you might think even if you're selling a relatively inexpensive product.

In contrast, GM cleared roughly $135 billion in revenue, $7.6 billion of which was profit, in 2011. Ferrari, even with it's $200K-plus cars, can only dream of that kind of profit. That said, I'm not so sure that "being a premium vendor with a dedicated but smaller customer base is much safer and profitable," as you suggest :) 
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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #239 on: June 17, 2012, 05:34:57 AM »
I absolutely LOVE to see this massive competitive pressure from Nikon on Canon. If the geriatric Canon management does not really wake up soon, they are in for deep sh*t. Ever so tiny incremental improvements and an intricate system of dumbing-down features less expensive camera models "for reasons of market differntiation" will lead them into a disaster zone.  Canon really needs to change its ways in a big way.

So I am looking forward to see an absolutely stunning Nikon D600 at an absolutely stunning price any time soon!

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #239 on: June 17, 2012, 05:34:57 AM »