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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #285 on: July 06, 2012, 12:38:01 PM »
The d100 just felt better in the hand though.  I think it had better AF too.  Anyway, I've enough conflict on my hands defending video...  let's not go there.

The D60 feels like all xxD's and it has similar controls.

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« Reply #285 on: July 06, 2012, 12:38:01 PM »

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #286 on: July 06, 2012, 01:03:59 PM »
When did the 5D become the 5Dc?  Can a six year old dslr be a 'classic'?

hmmm.

Even as a firm canon user, I always thought the Dx00's were more like where the film EOS 3 sat... I know it's apples and pears as even the rebels have usually been more comparable to Elans, but bear with me... until the 5D...c... there wasn't really a direct competitor, and even then it was a different segment camera.

Just an opinion.  If I'm wrong it won't be for first or last time.

It became a classic when it capture the photographic communitys heart by offering something that was once previously un-attainable in digital. Affordable FF and I like the name befitting such a solid camera. 8)

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #287 on: July 06, 2012, 01:21:52 PM »
When did the 5D become the 5Dc?  Can a six year old dslr be a 'classic'?

hmmm.

Even as a firm canon user, I always thought the Dx00's were more like where the film EOS 3 sat... I know it's apples and pears as even the rebels have usually been more comparable to Elans, but bear with me... until the 5D...c... there wasn't really a direct competitor, and even then it was a different segment camera.

Just an opinion.  If I'm wrong it won't be for first or last time.

It became a classic when it capture the photographic communitys heart by offering something that was once previously un-attainable in digital. Affordable FF and I like the name befitting such a solid camera. 8)

Just for the record the 5D came out in 2005 - so 7 years old.  That and the 1DS2 of 2004 were cameras that confirmed Canon as the major player in DSLR


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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #288 on: July 06, 2012, 01:34:16 PM »
i want this .. i want such a canon camera!!


You will only complain once it comes that it should be cheaper, should be weatherproof,should have no AA filter, should have a titanium body, shoot 12 fps, 4K video, and satellite uplink. And all that after only reading the published specs.

There is no end to gear lust. and the complaining that goes with it.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #289 on: July 06, 2012, 02:19:20 PM »
i want this .. i want such a canon camera!!


You will only complain once it comes that it should be cheaper, should be weatherproof,should have no AA filter, should have a titanium body, shoot 12 fps, 4K video, and satellite uplink. And all that after only reading the published specs.

There is no end to gear lust. and the complaining that goes with it.

Shame on you, markd61 for posting a comment that actually has to do with the subject of this thread!

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #290 on: July 06, 2012, 02:58:54 PM »
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The D60 feels like all xxD's and it has similar controls.

The D60 feels a bit like a 60D, but actually feels more like a rebel, and felt exactly like the Elan 7.

Cheap.

The 10D-50D had magnesium bodies and actually felt a lot better.

Which AF point would you like on your D60?  The Left, the Right or shall we split the difference?

The D60 is a benchmark only of where canon were at the time.  Which wasn't very far. 

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #291 on: July 06, 2012, 04:56:51 PM »
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The D60 feels like all xxD's and it has similar controls.

The D60 feels a bit like a 60D, but actually feels more like a rebel, and felt exactly like the Elan 7.

Cheap.

The 10D-50D had magnesium bodies and actually felt a lot better.

Which AF point would you like on your D60?  The Left, the Right or shall we split the difference?

The D60 is a benchmark only of where canon were at the time.  Which wasn't very far.

Everyone to their own. For 2002 it was the best around - at the low end. The real bonus is that it has a full sized body rather than a Rebel sized. D60 had a metal shell - so not like the polycarbonate 60D

3 good AF points are adequate - 5D owners survived a long time on just the central point - and has bright red AF points in the viewfinder.

Would you like to comment on the 10D and 1DS2 that came shortly afterwards?


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« Reply #292 on: July 06, 2012, 04:59:35 PM »
Personally I think Canon have something up their sleeve - they are not going to let Nikon take the market away from them. Trouble is that it takes time to respond.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #293 on: July 06, 2012, 05:05:54 PM »
Trouble is that it takes time to respond.

The Canon rumors crew and loyal customers should sign a petition for Nikon to stop all r&d for 1 or 2 years to let Canon catch up - borrowing Sony tech ain't fair :-)

Actually, I hope Canon wont have to "respond" at all because they were putting new products in the pipeline before Nikon released the d800. If Canon is too passive, they're going to have a tough time.

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« Reply #294 on: July 06, 2012, 05:14:19 PM »
Trouble is that it takes time to respond.

The Canon rumors crew and loyal customers should sign a petition for Nikon to stop all r&d for 1 or 2 years to let Canon catch up - borrowing Sony tech ain't fair :-)

Actually, I hope Canon wont have to "respond" at all because they were putting new products in the pipeline before Nikon released the d800. If Canon is too passive, they're going to have a tough time.

I suspect this is something for Photokina

For the record when the D60 was released Nikon were caught out - and they were more expensive

See here: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneosd60/4

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #295 on: July 06, 2012, 05:27:53 PM »
For the record when the D60 was released Nikon were caught out - and they were more expensive

Those were the times - dpreview states the d60 has "Excellent resolution, lives up to the six megapixel label" and "Noise very low all the way up to ISO 400" :-)  ... but then again in 2022 everybody will smile at the puny 5d2/5d3 sensor, too.

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #296 on: July 06, 2012, 05:38:57 PM »
For the record when the D60 was released Nikon were caught out - and they were more expensive

Those were the times - dpreview states the d60 has "Excellent resolution, lives up to the six megapixel label" and "Noise very low all the way up to ISO 400" :-)  ... but then again in 2022 everybody will smile at the puny 5d2/5d3 sensor, too.

Ironically a web image requires a D60 image to be cropped ....... so is there a market for an A1 IQ body with a sensor of about 4mps?

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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #297 on: July 06, 2012, 07:55:42 PM »
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Everyone to their own. For 2002 it was the best around - at the low end. The real bonus is that it has a full sized body rather than a Rebel sized. D60 had a metal shell - so not like the polycarbonate 60D

3 good AF points are adequate - 5D owners survived a long time on just the central point - and has bright red AF points in the viewfinder.

Would you like to comment on the 10D and 1DS2 that came shortly afterwards?

D60 had plastic shell.  Sorry.  Metal chassis. Plastic shell.

ooh bright red lights!!!

10D- Waste of time, one to ignore unless very cheap. 20D better resolution, EF-S mount.  Only marginally more expensive.  10D Improvements would have been enough to make film users finally switch at time, notihing remarkable now, 20D eminently more usable.

1DS2.. came quite a bit after the D60.  Probably the only one on our wee list that I would consider having in my kit bag today.   And even if they were launched on the same day?  So what?  What's your inference?
 



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« Reply #298 on: July 06, 2012, 08:13:31 PM »
Just checked.  3 & 1/2 years between D60 and 1DsMk2.  I'm not the spiciest chilli in the fajita, but was that an elephant trap that @dampsquibb tried to lay for me there?


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Re: Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600
« Reply #299 on: July 07, 2012, 06:02:07 AM »
Just checked.  3 & 1/2 years between D60 and 1DsMk2.  I'm not the spiciest chilli in the fajita, but was that an elephant trap that @dampsquibb tried to lay for me there?

We are talking history here - not buying now.  You gave me the impression that you knew about the relative merits of the D60 and D100 so I was curious as I didn't get to use Nikon, but contemporary reviews seem to favour the Canon range. Just look how quick new cameras were being released

d60 - 2002
10D - 2003
300D (first Rebel) - 2003 - cut down 10D
1DS2 - 2004
20D - 2004

The 1DS2 is still a very usable camera with its 45 point AF and 16mp

I find that a lot can be learnt from history as history = experience.



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« Reply #299 on: July 07, 2012, 06:02:07 AM »