EOS 4D full frame (6D)

[Ew]

All this talk of price / options / positioning of a lower cost FF body distorts the camera line in one way or another.

I see this as the following possible relationship:

7D          5D3
------ = --------
60D       new 4D

For the new FF body:
We scale down weather sealing
Provide articulating screen
Lower fps (rebel level + fraction)
Video as in 5d3 (& allowing ML)
Price point differential as in 7D/60D (25-30%??)

Hits those wanting FF, not needing higher FPS
Hits vid lovers, willing to compromise on build (eg GH2 crowd)

60D is a nice niche body IMHO - this would be the basis for lower cost FF

[briansquibb]

7D AF as well to keep the differentiation?

4D name implies (using Canon numbering)  better than 5D - perhaps 6D then??

[Ew]

definetly 6D over 4D

[niccyboy]

Why would the number be lower than the 5Dx

What you are suggesting is:
1dx -> 5dmk3 -> 4d -> 7d/60d etc

Doesn't make sense

[briansquibb]

Why would the number be lower than the 5Dx

What you are suggesting is:
1dx -> 5dmk3 -> 4d -> 7d/60d etc

Doesn't make sense

I think the OP already agreed 6D would make more sense

[pdirestajr]

I believe the number "4" is bad and usually skipped in Japanese culture. Not sure of the validity of that statement, I just think I read that in a few places.

Makes sense, Lumix went from the LX3 to the LX5, and the gf3 to the gf5.

So we should probably take the 4 off the table.

Also, like others have said, a lower number indicates higher end model.

[funkboy]

In many Asian languages the number "4" sounds very much like the word for "death", and has superstitious connotations in some cultures as a result.  Much worse than the number 13 in English, which is merely bad luck.

Obviously this doesn't apply to numbers like 40 or 400 (see EOS 40D & Nikon D400) as the sound apparently isn't the same.

Not that that stopped Nikon from releasing a "D4" of course.  But then Canon always skipped around the number 4 (EOS 3, EOS 5, etc) where as Nikon had the F4 as well...

[lottetashilama]

From what I read at the bottom of your posts, you guys own a lot of gear, but considering the uselessness and waste of time of the discussion you're having, not that many clients to use it for!!!
;/

[Kernuak]

I believe the number "4" is bad and usually skipped in Japanese culture. Not sure of the validity of that statement, I just think I read that in a few places.

Makes sense, Lumix went from the LX3 to the LX5, and the gf3 to the gf5.

So we should probably take the 4 off the table.

Also, like others have said, a lower number indicates higher end model.

The same argument was used to say that Canon wouldn't release a 1D Mk4...

[pdirestajr]

From what I read at the bottom of your posts, you guys own a lot of gear, but considering the uselessness and waste of time of the discussion you're having, not that many clients to use it for!!!
;/

Smite.

Wouldn't your post be considered even more of a waste of time then? And you know time is money...

[briansquibb]

From what I read at the bottom of your posts, you guys own a lot of gear, but considering the uselessness and waste of time of the discussion you're having, not that many clients to use it for!!!
;/

Clients?? why would an amateur like me have clients? Anyway from the line at the bottom of my posts you have little idea about what I own apart from the 3 cameras I have disclosed.

Personally I am interested in anything that Canon offer - even the rumoured 650D because it has full time video AF. A cheap, updated full frame might be of interest - and that is for me to decide.

[KeithR]

From what I read at the bottom of your posts, you guys own a lot of gear, but considering the uselessness and waste of time of the discussion you're having, not that many clients to use it for!!!
;/

Some of the least talented, most ignorant and uninformed photographers I know have clients - I wouldn't trust their opinion as far as I could throw them.

[FyreStorm]

Anyone else think that they are over saturating the market?

Rebel = Beginner
60D = Advanced Beginner
7D = Enthusiast
5D3 = Pro
1DX = Advanced Pro

I don't think we need to plug any more holes...just my 2 cents...

[cliffwang]

Anyone else think that they are over saturating the market?

Rebel = Beginner
60D = Advanced Beginner
7D = Enthusiast
5D3 = Pro
1DX = Advanced Pro

I don't think we need to plug any more holes...just my 2 cents...

I think there is still a room for entry level FF.  Now 5D2 should be defined for this market.  6D is more making sense for me.

[Marsu42]

I don't think we need to plug any more holes...just my 2 cents...

That's too simplistic, 7d aps-c and 5d2 ff have completely different characteristics not only because their af etc. is different but because the 1.6x crop factor makes the same lens behave so differently.

Not that that stopped Nikon from releasing a "D4" of course.  But then Canon always skipped around the number 4 (EOS 3, EOS 5, etc) where as Nikon had the F4 as well...

Now it would be interesting if Nikon pro photogs are more often hit by lightning or a crashing satellite when at work :-p