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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2012, 03:00:11 PM »
We'll just have to wait until we get one in our hands, it should be sharper than ver I.
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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2012, 03:00:11 PM »

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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2012, 03:07:56 PM »
I have  no doubt this lens is going to be super sharp..
However, for someone like myself who don't shoot for a living and already own a 24-105, i can't justify buying it with this pricing (although not launched, we know it's expensive)
Maybe when using the the 5Dmk2 or APS-C cameras, an F2.8 will be helpful in low light situations. In fact the i bet if you could use something like an f1.8 or lower it would be even better but this is as good as a zoom gets.

But with the 5Dmk3 (which i own), i'm finding myself not in need of such a lens. I don't find the 24-105 blur, maybe not as sharp but definately sharp enough for most shoots. And with the 5Dmk3's high ISO capabilities, there's really no need for an F2.8 UNLESS you can afford one…the IS on the 24-105 almost makes up for the 1 stop difference. I've shot at ISO12800 with the 24-105 many times with no probems and that's why i took my interest away from the 24-70mk2 simply because i think although it's good to have the f2.8, i don't really need it and won't sacrifice the 105mm just because of it and well, more importantly, the price.

And some people like to shoot faster in low light - f2.8 will help  ;)
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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2012, 03:48:21 PM »
The good news? At least we’re sure they’ve made at least one.

:-)) ... but you're wrong: the lens' serial number is 0000000039 !

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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2012, 04:05:06 PM »
Too bad it's gonna be mistaken for the 24-105...

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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2012, 04:08:53 PM »
Maybe NR in camera is turned off? My look way better even at 6400+
My 7D is a damn' sight better than that 3200 ISO shot.

In-camera NR is irrelevant here - these are Lightroom conversions.

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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2012, 06:25:39 PM »
why are people so picky with that particular picture....give me a break!!!
5dmark III doesn incredible in low light....can't wait for this lens...what is this official date release????

Ps.: For the haters go buy a sigma 24-70 ;)

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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2012, 06:47:40 PM »
That has to be the ugliest thing I've ever seen. It even looks worse than a 24-105...
One thing I love about my 24-70 is that you don't see the lens when extended.
Also that little stupid hood will leak light like crazy.
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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2012, 06:50:15 PM »
The good news? At least we’re sure they’ve made at least one.

:-)) ... but you're wrong: the lens' serial number is 0000000039 !

And even if the serial numbers aren't serial, Canon also has one at the Digital Show in Melbourne - apparently the only one in Australia.  That means there are at least two...
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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2012, 07:29:54 PM »
Well, even if I was in the market for new zoom,
The price is awfully high...
and... the deal breaker for me... (believe it or not) extending zoom.
That hood will be absolutely useless at 70mm... and my money says that canon will make a specific hood for it at 70mm as well.

The most brilliant design that canon EVER came up with..imo... was the hood/zoom system for the 28-70mm (and later the 24-70)

I try not to be a hater... but canon seems to be making some bonehead decisions this year.

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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2012, 08:13:04 PM »
Maybe NR in camera is turned off? My look way better even at 6400+
My 7D is a damn' sight better than that 3200 ISO shot.

In-camera NR is irrelevant here - these are Lightroom conversions.
If this is the best a 3500 dollar camera can do at iso3200 then that is pretty lame. This picture is noisy as hell!
What is up with Canon 2012....
and why was the ver 1 discontinued when the new one hasn't hit the shelves yet?
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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2012, 08:23:49 PM »
In-camera NR is irrelevant here - these are Lightroom conversions.

You can turn off or screw up nr in Lightroom, too. To answer the noise question we'd have to have the raw file - maybe the image was underexposed in the first place.

But in any case: Looking at the real world 5d3 shots from users in the forum tells me that the 5d3 might be a little better than the 36mp d800 at higher iso, but the improvement from the 5d2 is really not so large and people are strangely shocked to find iso noise in 5d3 shots at all...

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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2012, 10:42:15 PM »
But in any case: Looking at the real world 5d3 shots from users in the forum tells me that the 5d3 might be a little better than the 36mp d800 at higher iso, but the improvement from the 5d2 is really not so large and people are strangely shocked to find iso noise in 5d3 shots at all...


Maybe I am wrong about this, but I went from a 5D Mark II to a 5D Mark III and I shoot mainly in low light conditions (at night): When shooting a recent project (http://www.christianschmeer.com/filter/portfolio/The-Kray-Series-2012) I found the 5D Mark III noise to be way better than the noise on the 5D Mark II. It looks much more natural and is easier to deal with in Lightroom. All images were shot between 5000 and 8000 ISO. Once Lightroom got rid of the colour noise, the remaining luminance noise looked similar (not equal to, but definitely more natural) to a nice film grain. I actually reshot one of the photos with the 5DIII that I initially shot with the 5DII. Anyway, my point is that for me personally, the 5DIII noise seems way better than the 5DII noise.

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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2012, 03:17:35 AM »
This site apparently has samples from the new lens:

http://www.juzaphoto.com/recensione.php?l=en&page=obiettivo&t=canon_24-70_v2

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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2012, 08:29:41 AM »
I went to the PMA exhibition in Melbourne today and got to play with the new 24-70mm f/2.8 II USM and I gotta say I was really impressed with the size, build quality and focus speed. Can't comment on IQ ans I couldn't take images away.

If you look here http://camerasize.com/compact/#312.289,312.286,ha,t  they have it wrong - the mark I is about right, but the mark II - there's no way it was that big next to the mark I.  I took my mark I lens in with me and held the two size by side and the mark II is substantially smaller and lighter, which put a big smile on my face, as I find the mark I just a bit too big and bloated - especially the fat lip at the end. The mark II seemed just right - like a 24-105mm - very nicely balanced on the 5D3 body (no I don't work for Canon!!)

Some other observations:

1. Hood. Damn I love the lock-in hood! I've shot weddings where my mark I hood has turned a little (mine's very loose) and I've got the black hood in the corners. The mark II hood snaps in with the same firmness as the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II USM - inspires confidence.

I do like the smaller hood immensely. I shoot landscapes with filters a lot without hoods and find that flaring is very rarely a problem. I think with this hood - sure it won't be as deep as the mark I but in reality - I can't see that as being a problem at all.

The only time that I prefer the old hood is when it's raining - the front element has greater protection, as does the lens extension barrel.

2. Focusing. zing! super fast! Really though I don't know how much of that was the 5D3 though. I wasn't allowed to put the new lens on my 5d2.
When comparing side by side, the old lens focus has a lot greater distance from 1.5m to 3.0m to infinity.  I'd roughly put it at 1.5 times the turning amount to go from 1m to infinity on the old lens. The new lens - gonna make it a bit harder for manual focusing hitting the right hyper-focal distance as the markings are so close, but the trade off is most-likely to be the faster autofocus.

3. Build quality - no complaints. The big amount of rubber is nice to handle.

4. zoom feel. The old lens feels loose-ish around 70mm and tightens around 30mm and requires a bit more force to twist it to 24mm, whereas the new lens feels more even in tension throughout the zoom range.

Not sure what else I can tell you. If it was a choice of saving size and weight with no IS, or keeping the same size and weight and adding IS, I'm glad they went with no IS and gave me the weight and bulk saving that I'm really happy with. (remember IS does nothing for a moving subject!). To keep everyone happy, they really should release an IS version of this lens though.

It'll make for a great all-rounder lens. I think it will be fine for street. Not as good as a 50mm f/1.2 or 85mm f/1.2, but a lot better than the 24-70mm mark I due to the smaller size, which makes it easier to whip out of the shoulder bag.

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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2012, 09:36:22 AM »
"Unfortunately, Canon was probably placed in the worst lit area on the show floor, no art or great photos could be made with the new lenses, though I tried."

Which is why the 24 - 105mm IS L will continue to be the better lens when light levels are low with sharp images being possible as low as 1/6th sec.

I've never yet heard any client say images would be better if a sharper lens than the 24 - 105mm was used, so what's the point in a lens which weighs twice as much costs three times as much and has a reduced zoom range, and can't take decent photos when the light drops away?G

Want a blurred background?  Then use a prime!  2.8 is only just wide enough anyway.

I agree that The Range of The 24-105 is great but it doesn't focus. I rented one for a week and not only it
Ruined half of my photoshoot but the focused images were not sharp at all.
They should make a 24-105 F2.8L.
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Re: A Brief Hands On: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2012, 09:36:22 AM »