Adobe Lightroom 4.1 & Camera RAW 7.1 Final Released

[Marsu42]

Thanks for the reply, I felt a little bit bad about my rant, but obviously I'm not alone.

:-) No, you are not alone - this is what happens when you have a monopoly and the governments don't care about it. Things went downhill after they acquired Aldus, and hit the fan after the Macromedia merger. They even shut down better products like Freehand! The last one standing left is Apple, they lowered the price of Aperture, and Adobe had to follow with Lightroom.

But there's a lesson to be learned here: Let's hope Nikon & Sony stay or get competitive, or we'd be stuck with Canon in the same corner...

[Viggo]

I think noisehandling and overall IQ of the 5d3 is better with Lr 4.1. I don't have an exact science to say what is improved  by how much, but I feel images are sharper, but not seriously dramtically better, I still think DPP will produce sharper images, but I can do a test later. Noise I feel is better handled.

[jm345]

Downloaded the latest LR 4.1 but I don't see any improvement in speed for things like viewing at 100%. In Library it takes way too long to go from Loupe View to 100% - as long as 5 seconds.

[Marsu42]

Downloaded the latest LR 4.1 but I don't see any improvement in speed for things like viewing at 100%. In Library it takes way too long to go from Loupe View to 100% - as long as 5 seconds.

Is your problem that it takes to long to render 1:1 views or that even after library->previews->render 1:1 zooming is slow?

[drs]

Hey Marsu42,

Yes Aldus and Macromedia, but if you take a look how many products they have now. Incredible, and I believe the reason why they lost focus.
I wish Apple would not focus on consumers so much (I love Apple) but the current development (FCPX) is scary.

Lets hope that Adobe is soon out of its growing pain and put more engineers on the software, than product manager.

Take care.

[MrKorney]

Any sharpness comparisons between 5DIII raws with the new ACR and DPP?  I found the beta versions of ACR weren't giving me the sharpness that I could get with DPP.

I believe from my experience (I am still very amateur at this) that the with LR 4.1 that the sharpness is up to par with DPP when converting to a 16 bit TIFF.  What did catch my eye is how much sharper the CR2 file was after NR in 4.1 compared to the TIFF;  I wouldn't go so far to call it night and day, but a drastic difference (even for non-pixel peepers). It would be great if someone else can confirm this and or this is a given differences in TIFF to RAW.

[K-amps]

Any sharpness comparisons between 5DIII raws with the new ACR and DPP?  I found the beta versions of ACR weren't giving me the sharpness that I could get with DPP.

I believe from my experience (I am still very amateur at this) that the with LR 4.1 that the sharpness is up to par with DPP when converting to a 16 bit TIFF.  What did catch my eye is how much sharper the CR2 file was after NR in 4.1 compared to the TIFF;  I wouldn't go so far to call it night and day, but a drastic difference (even for non-pixel peepers). It would be great if someone else can confirm this and or this is a given differences in TIFF to RAW.

Sorry I am a bit dense... but did you find the Cr2 sharper or the Tiff sharper? was the Tiff converted in 4.1 or DPP? 

[jm345]

Downloaded the latest LR 4.1 but I don't see any improvement in speed for things like viewing at 100%. In Library it takes way too long to go from Loupe View to 100% - as long as 5 seconds.

Is your problem that it takes to long to render 1:1 views or that even after library->previews->render 1:1 zooming is slow?

Well here is my problem. I would like to review all my RAW or JPG files quickly. If I go one by one in LR it takes 5 seconds for LR to display each one at 100%. OTOH, I just did library->previews->render 1:1 for 70 5dMKIII files and it took about 5 minutes for that process to complete. So I am just disappointed that LR is not meeting my workflow needs.

[Marsu42]

Well here is my problem. I would like to review all my RAW or JPG files quickly. If I go one by one in LR it takes 5 seconds for LR to display each one at 100%. OTOH, I just did library->previews->render 1:1 for 70 5dMKIII files and it took about 5 minutes for that process to complete. So I am just disappointed that LR is not meeting my workflow needs.

Well, LR certainly takes its time when rendering 1:1 previews, esp. on non-turbocharged hardware - however, with 5sec per shot, you're still way faster then my trusty ol' laptop :-o ... but you can work around this, at least a bit:

* disable nr and esp. sharpening when importing files, this speeds up rendering time considerably. Only add sharpening and nr when you've got pictures reviewed and are in the last stages of postprocessing

* render 1:1 previews when importing and/or in advance and do other meaningful things during that time like drinking coffee :-p

[jm345]

Well here is my problem. I would like to review all my RAW or JPG files quickly. If I go one by one in LR it takes 5 seconds for LR to display each one at 100%. OTOH, I just did library->previews->render 1:1 for 70 5dMKIII files and it took about 5 minutes for that process to complete. So I am just disappointed that LR is not meeting my workflow needs.

Well, LR certainly takes its time when rendering 1:1 previews, esp. on non-turbocharged hardware - however, with 5sec per shot, you're still way faster then my trusty ol' laptop :-o ... but you can work around this, at least a bit:

* disable nr and esp. sharpening when importing files, this speeds up rendering time considerably. Only add sharpening and nr when you've got pictures reviewed and are in the last stages of postprocessing

* render 1:1 previews when importing and/or in advance and do other meaningful things during that time like drinking coffee :-p

Thanks for the suggestions.

[MrKorney]

Any sharpness comparisons between 5DIII raws with the new ACR and DPP?  I found the beta versions of ACR weren't giving me the sharpness that I could get with DPP.

I believe from my experience (I am still very amateur at this) that the with LR 4.1 that the sharpness is up to par with DPP when converting to a 16 bit TIFF.  What did catch my eye is how much sharper the CR2 file was after NR in 4.1 compared to the TIFF;  I wouldn't go so far to call it night and day, but a drastic difference (even for non-pixel peepers). It would be great if someone else can confirm this and or this is a given differences in TIFF to RAW.

Sorry I am a bit dense... but did you find the Cr2 sharper or the Tiff sharper? was the Tiff converted in 4.1 or DPP?

I found that the CR2's stayed sharper after adding noise reduction (processed in LR 4.1) than did the Tiffs (processed with dpp, then opened up in LR). Before noise reduction, they were very similar.

[K-amps]

Thanks!

Based on this; Buying 4.1 now 

[jm345]

Well here is my problem. I would like to review all my RAW or JPG files quickly. If I go one by one in LR it takes 5 seconds for LR to display each one at 100%. OTOH, I just did library->previews->render 1:1 for 70 5dMKIII files and it took about 5 minutes for that process to complete. So I am just disappointed that LR is not meeting my workflow needs.

Well, LR certainly takes its time when rendering 1:1 previews, esp. on non-turbocharged hardware - however, with 5sec per shot, you're still way faster then my trusty ol' laptop :-o ... but you can work around this, at least a bit:

* disable nr and esp. sharpening when importing files, this speeds up rendering time considerably. Only add sharpening and nr when you've got pictures reviewed and are in the last stages of postprocessing

* render 1:1 previews when importing and/or in advance and do other meaningful things during that time like drinking coffee :-p

Can you tell me how to disable nr and sharpening when importing files - I haven't found those options for Import. And I would have thought the default for any processing during Import would have been "off"?

[K-amps]

In 3.6 that I have, it is off by default i.e. Sharpness = 0. I wonder how you are seeing it as sharpened for RAWS (Since sharpening for Jpegs happens via Camera settings), which ones did you use?

[jm345]

My settings in LR 4.1 are all default. I don't see where there are options for sharpening or NR during Import. And I don't understand why they would affect the time it takes to render 1:1 previews once they are imported to LR.

Does LR apply camera settings for jpgs by default?

My issue is it takes way to long for CR2 files and Jpgs to render at 1:1 previews as you review them individually. And WAY too long to do them in bulk first.