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More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
« on: March 10, 2011, 09:07:13 PM »
Sigma adding to the prime lineup With the success and quality of the Sigma 50 f/1.4 and 85 f/1.4, I’m told they’ll be adding more fast primes to the lineup over the next 18 months.

Lenses on the horizon may include a 24  f/1.4, 35 f/1.4 and 135 f/2.

Sigma will also continue to update lenses by adding OS to them. The 300 f/2.8 may be the first to get OS along with the 500 f/4.5. With the pricing of the new Canon lenses in these focal ranges, I wouldn’t be shocked to see Sigma do something 20% cheaper.

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More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
« on: March 10, 2011, 09:07:13 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 09:14:27 PM »
Good news. I have my Sigma 30mm f/1.4 on my 7D probably 80% of the time, and I'd love to try out a 24mm.

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 09:16:07 PM »
I though the 300 f/2.8 had been pretty much killed by the 120-300 f/2.8. As for the 500 f/4.5, I think it would make more sense to make a 200-500 f/4 OS, but that's probably just me.

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Re: More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 10:19:32 PM »
24mm f/1.4 please!  ;D

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2011, 12:42:04 AM »
If those would be as good as the Sigma 85mm f/1.4, I'm likely to buy the 135mm f/1.4 & the 24mm f/1.4

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Re: More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2011, 03:33:45 AM »
Sigma's primes are not without their problems though.  The 50mm in particular suffers from focus shift when stopping down, the issue is worse on Canon cameras because the autofocus has the more sensitive f/2.8 centre point as opposed to other makes on f/5.6.  When you focus with the lens wide open at say F/2.8 the focus is at one point, when the shutter is released the aperture snaps down, and the point of focus moves, in many cases ruining the shot.

This has been the issue many users have reported since the lens was released.  On the other hand Canon's own f/1.4 although optically good suffers reliability issues, and should really be replaced.  The 80mm f/1.8 is a very good lens, cheap too, it's difficult to see why anyone would pay a lot more money for a one stop advantage (especially if it suffers focus shift).

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Re: More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2011, 03:42:54 AM »
Sigma's primes are not without their problems though.  The 50mm in particular suffers from focus shift when stopping down, the issue is worse on Canon cameras because the autofocus has the more sensitive f/2.8 centre point as opposed to other makes on f/5.6.  When you focus with the lens wide open at say F/2.8 the focus is at one point, when the shutter is released the aperture snaps down, and the point of focus moves, in many cases ruining the shot.

This has been the issue many users have reported since the lens was released.  On the other hand Canon's own f/1.4 although optically good suffers reliability issues, and should really be replaced.  The 80mm f/1.8 is a very good lens, cheap too, it's difficult to see why anyone would pay a lot more money for a one stop advantage (especially if it suffers focus shift).

Could you explain what causes the focus shift? Why would the point of focus move when the iris closes to the setpoint (unless that causes other things to move in the front-to-rear direction)?

I also really like Canon's 85mm f/1.8, and my copy of the 50mm f/1.4 has been fine so far, so again, I'm happy with that. Having bought, and immediately returned, a bad copy of the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 (it was terrible), I'm wary of Sigma lenses. OTOH right now it's a non-issue, cos I'm still paying off the 24-105 f/4 L! So nothing at all is gonna get bought for a couple of months!

Thanks.

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Re: More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
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Re: More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 04:44:08 AM »
24mm f/1.4 please!  ;D
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Really this would rock the boat a bit, with canon currently charging over a £1000 for their version of this 24mm lens and the 50mm f1.4's  being much closer in price at about £300s- maybe an affordable amatuer level.

I'm guessing canon prices would drop a bit or they would nedd to make a f1.2 version to stay ahead.

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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2011, 06:43:09 AM »
Could you explain what causes the focus shift? Why would the point of focus move when the iris closes to the setpoint (unless that causes other things to move in the front-to-rear direction)?

Check this out:
http://toothwalker.org/optics/spherical.html

But while I heard a lot about inconsistent focus of the Siggy Fifty, I haven't heard about residual spherical aberations/focus shift in this one. However, the Canon 50 1.2 exhibits this problem quite clearly.
Check, e.g., this out for a serious discussion of the issue
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=371097
(or simply google for "50L focus shift"...)

and this for a more tongue-in-check view on the "50L focus issues" topic

http://fakechuckwestfall.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/ef-50mm-f1-2hell-usm/


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Re: More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2011, 06:55:51 AM »
A good quality fast prime under 24mm would be great. Something between 16mm and 21mm at f/2.0 or less would be real nice.

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Re: More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2011, 07:57:25 AM »
Could you explain what causes the focus shift? Why would the point of focus move when the iris closes to the setpoint (unless that causes other things to move in the front-to-rear direction)?

Check this out:
http://toothwalker.org/optics/spherical.html

But while I heard a lot about inconsistent focus of the Siggy Fifty, I haven't heard about residual spherical aberations/focus shift in this one. However, the Canon 50 1.2 exhibits this problem quite clearly.
Check, e.g., this out for a serious discussion of the issue
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=371097
(or simply google for "50L focus shift"...)

and this for a more tongue-in-check view on the "50L focus issues" topic

http://fakechuckwestfall.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/ef-50mm-f1-2hell-usm/

Thanks; I see now.

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Re: More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2011, 09:22:30 AM »
Sigma's primes are not without their problems though.  The 50mm in particular suffers from focus shift when stopping down, the issue is worse on Canon cameras because the autofocus has the more sensitive f/2.8 centre point as opposed to other makes on f/5.6.  When you focus with the lens wide open at say F/2.8 the focus is at one point, when the shutter is released the aperture snaps down, and the point of focus moves, in many cases ruining the shot.

This has been the issue many users have reported since the lens was released.  On the other hand Canon's own f/1.4 although optically good suffers reliability issues, and should really be replaced.  The 80mm f/1.8 is a very good lens, cheap too, it's difficult to see why anyone would pay a lot more money for a one stop advantage (especially if it suffers focus shift).

Could you explain what causes the focus shift? Why would the point of focus move when the iris closes to the setpoint (unless that causes other things to move in the front-to-rear direction)?

I also really like Canon's 85mm f/1.8, and my copy of the 50mm f/1.4 has been fine so far, so again, I'm happy with that. Having bought, and immediately returned, a bad copy of the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 (it was terrible), I'm wary of Sigma lenses. OTOH right now it's a non-issue, cos I'm still paying off the 24-105 f/4 L! So nothing at all is gonna get bought for a couple of months!

Thanks.

Martin

Here's review of the sigma 50 1.4 at photozone (http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/521-sigma50f1450d?start=1 ). The graphic near the bottom is pretty self-explanatory. The effect is due to residual aberrations, and it is bad lens design. Focus moves back about 2 cm when stopping down to f4. That's pretty bad.

You can get good focus using live-view, and by f8 the DOF is so big that your focus point will be covered and you will not see this effect. Of course there is no effect at f1.4, but it will be quite annoying between f2 - f5.6, and this is the only reason that I bypassed this lens: f1.4 is soft, focus is unreliable for f2.0 - f5.6, and I have plenty of other options for good shots at f5.6 and above.


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Re: More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2011, 11:59:19 AM »
Thanks to everyone who saved me having to find the links to answer that one!

The problem is worse on Canon cameras because of the f/2.8 centre spot I'm told.

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2011, 12:21:11 PM »
Why is this only a CR1?  I want them now.

if they really come out with those, i will buy the 35/1.4, and 135/2 for sure. can't afford the canon version.

had the 30mm 1.4 before, love it, but went FF and i had to sell it.

I have been waiting for this for ever!!!!

a suggestion for Sigma would be a 24-105L or nikkor 24-120 F4 equivalent for ~$6-700 USD street price.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2011, 10:03:26 AM »
a 35 1.4 could be quite a winner, the canon's is both lustworthy and unaffordable for most :(

OTOH, a 135 2.0 would have to be pretty spectacular and pretty cheap, as canon's is already both.

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Re: More Sigma Primes Coming? [CR1]
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