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Looking for travel zoom
« on: June 05, 2012, 08:53:59 PM »
I am going on vacation with my new canon 5d3 with kit lens. I was considering the 70-300 is non l for a lightweight zoom. Anyone have any success with it or should I consider only the 70-200 f4 is l which is larger and heavier. I want to travel light. Any help is appreciated.
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Re: Looking for travel zoom
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2012, 09:20:21 PM »
Skip the 70-300 non-L - IQ falls apart at the long end.  I'd consider the 70-200mm f/4L or the 70-300L.  Personally, I'd pick the 70-300L for the shorter (retracted) length, extra 100mm, and weather sealing (and slightly better IQ). 

I'm currently using the 28-300L as a travel lens, but I may get the 70-300L at some point to take with the 24-105mm instead.
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Re: Looking for travel zoom
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2012, 09:45:26 PM »
Yeah but my concern is the weight with two 5 year olds and going to the zoo, sea world, disneyland. I will already have the 5d3, 24-105, 430 ex ii, 270 ex ii, 50mm 1.4 and accessories. I first need to find a sling bag to hold all that and need to cover the telephoto area without adding a 2.5-3lb lens. I almost wish I had a rebel and a tamron 17-50 2.8 which is much lighter but I don't and I might aswell use my new camera but need to pack relatively light. I know the 70-300 is not the pinnacle of iQ but was thinking its light and would be better than a micro 4/3 system or sony nex combo. Again I just don't want to go with a p&S like the s100.
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Re: Looking for travel zoom
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2012, 10:30:39 PM »
The non-L 70-300 is almost certain to disappoint you. The 5D3 will punish this lens. Traveling with young kids is going to be an absorbing process. You do need to keep it simple. If you have a BG-E11 leave it at home &  just take the 430EX.

We traveled Vietnam for 3 weeks with kids and all I took was a gripless 5D and the 24-105. Being accustomed to a very comprehensive lens kit it was kind of liberating and creatively challenging to work with just one lens. It forced me to look at things differently and adjust my shooting style. I did leave my bulky 580's at home but occasionally yearned for a wink of extra light. Even the little 270 might have done the trick.

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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2012, 10:59:21 PM »
Yeah sounds like sound advice but i will not have any reach for sea world or san diego zoo. Any suggestions. If canon would Release a mirrorless by end of july then i would go that route. I even considered a g1x but have read mixed reviews.
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Re: Looking for travel zoom
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2012, 11:05:55 PM »
I am going on vacation with my new canon 5d3 with kit lens. I was considering the 70-300 is non l for a lightweight zoom. Anyone have any success with it or should I consider only the 70-200 f4 is l which is larger and heavier. I want to travel light. Any help is appreciated.
You can travel light, or you can pack every piece of gear available to you to cover every conceivable shooting scenario. What do you want to do ?

Last time I had a vacation, I was travelling to Australia to see family. I could have brought a telephoto for the wildlife but decided it was more important to just get the family shots. So I took the 5DII with the 50mm f/1.4.

I'd say figure out what's important to you and pack something that is absolutely minimal that covers the bases.  I don't believe you've really tried to cut it down given that you're packing not one but two flashes, and a general purpose zoom AND a general purpose prime. If you want to travel light, start thinking carefully about what's important and build a kit around that. If you want to cover every plausible shooting scenario, forget about traveling light.

Lighter camera might be a good option if you really do want to put an emphasis on range above everything else. APS-C plus Tamron 17-50 + Canon 55-250 and you have a light kit that covers wide to super tele.
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Re: Looking for travel zoom
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 12:28:53 AM »
Yeah sounds like sound advice but i will not have any reach for sea world or san diego zoo. Any suggestions. If canon would Release a mirrorless by end of july then i would go that route. I even considered a g1x but have read mixed reviews.

I'd rent the 70-300L and get a sling bag and a harness system that would accommodate your camera and the 70-300L.  For Sea World and the zoo, I would bring only that lens.  For Disney World, I would bring the 24-105L only.  I borrowed a 70-200 and used it for shows at Disney World.  Results were OK, but I didn't use it much.  I wouldn't bother with the 50mm or the flashes unless you have a plan on using it (i.e. night excursions).

I would call wherever you are staying to make sure that there is a secure way to lock the gear while you are out and about.  Just because you're bringing all you gear for a trip doesn't mean that you have to lug it everywhere you go for each and every destination.

The 70-300 non-L weighs about 1.5 lb, and the L version weights about 2.5 lb.  Your 5DIII is about 2 lb.  The 24-105 is also about 1.5 lb.  So that means your camera + 1 lens will weigh about 3.5 to 4.5 lb.  A crop body with a zoom will weigh a bit less, but it's still roughly the same size and it will still impede your range of motion when dealing with kids.  If that is too much, then don't bring the 5DIII and go with a P&S.  There is no point bringing something that you won't even enjoy using.

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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 05:01:24 AM »
Canon 100-400mm is the best friend for you.

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Re: Looking for travel zoom
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 06:33:16 AM »
70-300 DO is a great travel lens. Some people complain about the white halo but i had no issues with mine. Sold it for a 70-200mm f2.8 but it was so light and seriously small extremely useful. Would have one again.

Basically the same size as a standard zoom and has IS. Great compromise.

You can pick them up second had for about £550 which is a bargain.
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2012, 07:16:27 AM »
You can travel light, or you can pack every piece of gear available to you to cover every conceivable shooting scenario. What do you want to do ?

+1

  • On a family excursion to NH last weekend, main goal was documentary memories - I brought only the gripped 5DII and 28-300L, in a Lowepro Toploader Pro 75 AW.
  • Visiting family in CA for a few days a couple of months ago, goals were documentary memories including indoor portraits and ambient shooting - brought gripped 5DII, 28-300L, 35L, 135L, and 430EX II in a Lowepro Flipside 300 packed in a Storm im2500 hard case.
  • On a 3-week adoption trip to China last year, goal was documentary memories and a photographic chronicle of the trip for our then-new daughter. Even though we were traveling with our older daughter, I brought the gripped 5DII, 16-35L II, 24-105L, 70-200/2.8L IS II, TS-E 24L II, 35L, 1.4x II TC, and 430EX II, all in a Lowepro Flipside 400 AW packed in the Storm im2500.

Some key points - use a bag that's the right size for the gear you're bringing; a backpack style bag (vs. sling) supports the weight better.  When carrying lots of gear (like the China trip) I also pack a smaller bag in with the main luggage (Lowepro Toploader 65 AW and Lens Case 1W, on that trip) to carry body + 1-2 lenses, and leave the rest in the hotel, locked in the hard case (I use TamperSeal SearchAlert locks).

First off, just bring one flash, probably the 270. Second, I agree (and repeat) that the 70-300 non-L is not worth taking - you'd be best off with the L version, and still better off with 200mm and cropping. You could also consider the 200mm f/2.8L II prime.  The 70-300 DO is another option as suggested, but don't buy new - way overpriced for what it is, I bought one for $750 (and later, sold it for the same price). The IQ is not stellar, but ok (needs a contrast boost and sharpening in post), it's better that the 70-300 non-L, but the L is much better; the DO has bad zoom creep, too. 

For SeaWorld, the SD Zoo, and especially the Safari Park (was called Wild Animal Park when I lived in SD), you'll want 300mm, IMO.
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Re: Looking for travel zoom
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 08:54:56 AM »
Depends on what quality photos you want. I can recommend the EF-S 18-200mm IS lens as a great single travel lens, because of its ability to do wide angle and some zoom - but it's no L-series lens. Suits my purposes fine though. I'm very happy with it.

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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 09:23:27 AM »
The non-L 70-300 is almost certain to disappoint you. The 5D3 will punish this lens. Traveling with young kids is going to be an absorbing process. You do need to keep it simple. If you have a BG-E11 leave it at home &  just take the 430EX.

We traveled Vietnam for 3 weeks with kids and all I took was a gripless 5D and the 24-105. Being accustomed to a very comprehensive lens kit it was kind of liberating and creatively challenging to work with just one lens. It forced me to look at things differently and adjust my shooting style. I did leave my bulky 580's at home but occasionally yearned for a wink of extra light. Even the little 270 might have done the trick.

Travel? Keep it simple. Travel with kids? Save your marriage and your sanity and keep it even simpler.

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Re: Looking for travel zoom
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2012, 11:43:24 AM »
Depends on what quality photos you want. I can recommend the EF-S 18-200mm IS lens as a great single travel lens, because of its ability to do wide angle and some zoom - but it's no L-series lens. Suits my purposes fine though. I'm very happy with it.

EF-S lenses wont fit FF cameras.... plus its a pretty poor lens anyway.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2012, 02:31:26 PM »
I can recommend the EF-S 18-200mm IS lens as a great single travel lens...

So, you're suggesting he snap off the part of the lens mount that prevents mounting, then proceed to take a picture at 18mm so the reflex mirror smashes into the back end of the lens?  Hmmmm....
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2012, 09:58:11 PM »
You can travel light, or you can pack every piece of gear available to you to cover every conceivable shooting scenario. What do you want to do ?

+1

  • On a family excursion to NH last weekend, main goal was documentary memories - I brought only the gripped 5DII and 28-300L, in a Lowepro Toploader Pro 75 AW.
  • Visiting family in CA for a few days a couple of months ago, goals were documentary memories including indoor portraits and ambient shooting - brought gripped 5DII, 28-300L, 35L, 135L, and 430EX II in a Lowepro Flipside 300 packed in a Storm im2500 hard case.
  • On a 3-week adoption trip to China last year, goal was documentary memories and a photographic chronicle of the trip for our then-new daughter. Even though we were traveling with our older daughter, I brought the gripped 5DII, 16-35L II, 24-105L, 70-200/2.8L IS II, TS-E 24L II, 35L, 1.4x II TC, and 430EX II, all in a Lowepro Flipside 400 AW packed in the Storm im2500.

Some key points - use a bag that's the right size for the gear you're bringing; a backpack style bag (vs. sling) supports the weight better.  When carrying lots of gear (like the China trip) I also pack a smaller bag in with the main luggage (Lowepro Toploader 65 AW and Lens Case 1W, on that trip) to carry body + 1-2 lenses, and leave the rest in the hotel, locked in the hard case (I use TamperSeal SearchAlert locks).

First off, just bring one flash, probably the 270. Second, I agree (and repeat) that the 70-300 non-L is not worth taking - you'd be best off with the L version, and still better off with 200mm and cropping. You could also consider the 200mm f/2.8L II prime.  The 70-300 DO is another option as suggested, but don't buy new - way overpriced for what it is, I bought one for $750 (and later, sold it for the same price). The IQ is not stellar, but ok (needs a contrast boost and sharpening in post), it's better that the 70-300 non-L, but the L is much better; the DO has bad zoom creep, too. 

For SeaWorld, the SD Zoo, and especially the Safari Park (was called Wild Animal Park when I lived in SD), you'll want 300mm, IMO.

Yeah I am either getting the 70-200L f4is or nothing as far as zoom. I also am going to look into that toploader bag for the zoo. Sounds like the bag I was looking for. I also was considering the flipside 400 but just thought it would be akward to spin it around to take the camera in and out. I wish they released a mirrorless in time because I would bring that with the new 40mm pancake and a tamron 17-50 2.8 and 55-250mm just for the parks. All lightweight travel gear. I have also been looking at the fuji x-s1 but it seems big also. I may go with the g1x and a 270ex ii and have my wife carry an S100 and travel light. Just not sure. Even if I do bring that I will bring my 5d and leave it in the room just in case. I wish they had a Canon solution that was lightweight like Nikon's v1 or sony nex7. I would be all over that.
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