Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?

[BCMAR15]

Just my 2 cents, for me, 60D.

I have nothing against the new cam.  Its value adds--no denying they're there--just don't fit my current needs.  I would never use anything but manual focus, not matter how good the A/F is.  My focus point isn't always the cam's.

I'm happy to see it, though, especially if it drives the cost of the T2i down.  I do video more than stills and having B, C, D roll (different angles, audio backup) is great.

As to the 18MP sensor carry-over--GREAT!  I get a LOT of B roll from other parts of the country.  Having the SAME sensor in a bunch of cameras makes my post-processing a breeze.  I just tell them how I what their cam--7D, 60D, 3Ti, 2Ti--set up, and it matches my stuff.

[ashmadux]

In my opinion, if you want 7D, go get used.  They are all built like tanks these days and it is hard to find a bad one.ß
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Buyer beware. My 7d i bought used, has never been a champion, and is on its way back to canon for its third adjustment. I sadly can rely more on a rebel body then a 7d. My thinking is well colored at this point.

speaking of which, I am about to buy a new T2i. Great image quality, for me at the wnd of the day, is king. But admittedly the 7d is a wonderfully functioning body- sensor, not so much.

[DB]

In my opinion, if you want 7D, go get used.  They are all built like tanks these days and it is hard to find a bad one.ß

Buyer beware. My 7d i bought used, has never been a champion, and is on its way back to canon for its third adjustment. I sadly can rely more on a rebel body then a 7d. My thinking is well colored at this point.

speaking of which, I am about to buy a new T2i. Great image quality, for me at the wnd of the day, is king. But admittedly the 7d is a wonderfully functioning body- sensor, not so much.
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7D used is almost same price as 7D new.

With regard to 7D image quality (I had T2i before) it has never let me down, took these pics today:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=7248.0

Perhaps you were unfortunate and didn't get one that was 100%.

[Steb]

One more hint for the 60D. If you shoot fast moving scenes, with the multicontroller you can select every AF point with the press of just one button. It is more complicated to switch points on the Rebel and that was my main reason for upgrading.

[SambalOelek]

In all fairness, the Sigma 105mm f/2.8 OS HSM is comparable to the 100 L, and on par mechanically and IQ-wise. It has a metal body, the 100 L is a bit on the plasticky side in my opinion. The 100 f/2.8 non-L is also at least on par IQ-wise (except the L's bokeh, which is great).

Ok, I didn't make myself clear enough: I'd only recommend/get 3rd party lenses if there is a significant price or iq difference to Canon, because you'll run into less difficulties with the latter and it's valid for cps.

I had the 100 non-L macro and only switched it because the L has better sealing and is dual-usable as a portrait lens with IS and sharp f2.8 - I don't have a 70-200/2.8. I am frequently recommending the non-L for macro work, excellent lens.

At the same time, I'm always commenting on the 100L plastic fantastic build, but the iq and IS is stellar. I don't know much about the Sigma, but for currently 75€ more (Canon currently has a 70€ rebate) I'd take the Canon any day.

Ok, that makes sense. The 100L is great, no question about it. It just feels a bit...tacky compared to, well, any other L-lens I can think of

[Marsu42]

The 100L is great, no question about it. It just feels a bit...tacky compared to, well, any other L-lens I can think of

And I'm grateful for the "tacky" build even if I make critical remarks about it, because otherwise the L with all the current Canon tech in it wouldn't be $1000 but $2000 and out of my price range.

One more hint for the 60D. If you shoot fast moving scenes, with the multicontroller you can select every AF point with the press of just one button. It is more complicated to switch points on the Rebel and that was my main reason for upgrading.

One more hint: with magic lantern, you can select not only one or all af points, but many focus patterns (points to the right, left, top, down, center cross, ...).

[Steb]

One more hint: with magic lantern, you can select not only one or all af points, but many focus patterns (points to the right, left, top, down, center cross, ...).

Doesn't sound too fancy with only 9 points. But might be a nice feature to have. ML is still on my list to look into. My understanding was that it is mostly useful for video which is not of a big interest for me, but now I am curious.

[Jettatore]

Skip it all, wait and save for a used 5DII if video is a requirement, otherwise get a used 5Dc.  Without question, if you can, go straight to full-frame, you've already had your intro and it was on a crop.  A 7 year old full frame would be a huge upgrade, even compared to a 60D.

[Tabor Warren Photography]

60D, you would be amazed at the difference in image quality from the Rebel line. Good glass of course is often what makes it or breaks it though if your looking for excellence in your images. I also own the 5DII and quite honestly they are two different tools but the best of my work often still stems from my 60D + 35mm f/1.4L combo.

[wickidwombat]

60D, you would be amazed at the difference in image quality from the Rebel line. Good glass of course is often what makes it or breaks it though if your looking for excellence in your images. I also own the 5DII and quite honestly they are two different tools but the best of my work often still stems from my 60D + 35mm f/1.4L combo.

they have the same sensor! you must be kidding...

same glass, same exposure settings 600D vs 60D there will be no difference in IQ

agreed there is apparently some subtle differences with the 7D due to processing

[Tabor Warren Photography]

I humbly agree.

[Marsu42]

Doesn't sound too fancy with only 9 points. But might be a nice feature to have. ML is still on my list to look into. My understanding was that it is mostly useful for video which is not of a big interest for me, but now I am curious.

But the focus patterns make the crappy 9 point af workable at all, because if activating all points all over the frame at once the af usually ends up all over the place. And ml is extremely useful for still shots too, I use it all the time for focus peaking,  zebras, focus stacking, trap focus, audio remote shot, timer bulb mode, unlimited automatic bracketing, ... http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Unified

[edawg]

The 60D is a rockstar camera that's very versile. It's not too big like the 7D or 5D, not too small like the Rebels. The autofocus is quick and accurate enough to be used in sports. The image quality is good but the 5D destroys it in low light. Still for a canon aps-c all the sensors are the same - no variation in image quality. The flip screen is handy at times (and I don't even shoot video). The 60D is a great camera, and a really good value at so much less $ than the 7d. Just based on my experience having shot with the 60D as my travel camera over the last year.

[Marsu42]

The autofocus is quick and accurate enough to be used in sports.

I agree with you that the 60d is a nice camera - except for sports: the af points are simply spread too far apart, and relying only on a single af point to do the tracking often doesn't do it. And the worst part is the crippled firmware, since you cannot customize *anything* of the af servo system - just use it or don't use it, from my experience with it I don't I'm sorry to say.

What lens did you use to shoot which type of sport that makes you say the 60d is "accurate enough"?

[aznable]

The autofocus is quick and accurate enough to be used in sports.

I agree with you that the 60d is a nice camera - except for sports: the af points are simply spread too far apart, and relying only on a single af point to do the tracking often doesn't do it. And the worst part is the crippled firmware, since you cannot customize *anything* of the af servo system - just use it or don't use it, from my experience with it I don't I'm sorry to say.

agree...using the servo and central point the AF is erratic, but the firmware it's not crippled … this kinda autofocus Always worked this way, from 40D to nowadays

the autofocus should be the same of 650D...for taking pactures, should be inferior for video