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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2012, 06:31:36 PM »
The 100L is great, no question about it. It just feels a bit...tacky compared to, well, any other L-lens I can think of :)

And I'm grateful for the "tacky" build even if I make critical remarks about it, because otherwise the L with all the current Canon tech in it wouldn't be $1000 but $2000 and out of my price range.

One more hint for the 60D. If you shoot fast moving scenes, with the multicontroller you can select every AF point with the press of just one button. It is more complicated to switch points on the Rebel and that was my main reason for upgrading.

One more hint: with magic lantern, you can select not only one or all af points, but many focus patterns (points to the right, left, top, down, center cross, ...).

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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2012, 06:31:36 PM »

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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2012, 09:12:55 PM »
One more hint: with magic lantern, you can select not only one or all af points, but many focus patterns (points to the right, left, top, down, center cross, ...).

Doesn't sound too fancy with only 9 points. ;) But might be a nice feature to have. ML is still on my list to look into. My understanding was that it is mostly useful for video which is not of a big interest for me, but now I am curious. :D

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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2012, 09:36:57 PM »
Skip it all, wait and save for a used 5DII if video is a requirement, otherwise get a used 5Dc.  Without question, if you can, go straight to full-frame, you've already had your intro and it was on a crop.  A 7 year old full frame would be a huge upgrade, even compared to a 60D.
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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2012, 10:16:13 PM »
60D, you would be amazed at the difference in image quality from the Rebel line. Good glass of course is often what makes it or breaks it though if your looking for excellence in your images. I also own the 5DII and quite honestly they are two different tools but the best of my work often still stems from my 60D + 35mm f/1.4L combo.
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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2012, 10:21:51 PM »
60D, you would be amazed at the difference in image quality from the Rebel line. Good glass of course is often what makes it or breaks it though if your looking for excellence in your images. I also own the 5DII and quite honestly they are two different tools but the best of my work often still stems from my 60D + 35mm f/1.4L combo.

they have the same sensor! you must be kidding...

same glass, same exposure settings 600D vs 60D there will be no difference in IQ

agreed there is apparently some subtle differences with the 7D due to processing
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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2012, 11:13:18 PM »
I humbly agree.
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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2012, 01:50:39 AM »
Doesn't sound too fancy with only 9 points. ;) But might be a nice feature to have. ML is still on my list to look into. My understanding was that it is mostly useful for video which is not of a big interest for me, but now I am curious. :D


But the focus patterns make the crappy 9 point af workable at all, because if activating all points all over the frame at once the af usually ends up all over the place. And ml is extremely useful for still shots too, I use it all the time for focus peaking,  zebras, focus stacking, trap focus, audio remote shot, timer bulb mode, unlimited automatic bracketing, ... http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Unified

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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2012, 03:19:27 AM »
The 60D is a rockstar camera that's very versile. It's not too big like the 7D or 5D, not too small like the Rebels. The autofocus is quick and accurate enough to be used in sports. The image quality is good but the 5D destroys it in low light. Still for a canon aps-c all the sensors are the same - no variation in image quality. The flip screen is handy at times (and I don't even shoot video). The 60D is a great camera, and a really good value at so much less $ than the 7d. Just based on my experience having shot with the 60D as my travel camera over the last year.

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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2012, 03:32:03 AM »
The autofocus is quick and accurate enough to be used in sports.

I agree with you that the 60d is a nice camera - except for sports: the af points are simply spread too far apart, and relying only on a single af point to do the tracking often doesn't do it. And the worst part is the crippled firmware, since you cannot customize *anything* of the af servo system - just use it or don't use it, from my experience with it I don't I'm sorry to say.

What lens did you use to shoot which type of sport that makes you say the 60d is "accurate enough"?

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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2012, 11:30:50 AM »
The autofocus is quick and accurate enough to be used in sports.

I agree with you that the 60d is a nice camera - except for sports: the af points are simply spread too far apart, and relying only on a single af point to do the tracking often doesn't do it. And the worst part is the crippled firmware, since you cannot customize *anything* of the af servo system - just use it or don't use it, from my experience with it I don't I'm sorry to say.


agree...using the servo and central point the AF is erratic, but the firmware it's not crippled … this kinda autofocus Always worked this way, from 40D to nowadays

the autofocus should be the same of 650D...for taking pactures, should be inferior for video
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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2012, 05:21:21 PM »
agree...using the servo and central point the AF is erratic, but the firmware it's not crippled … this kinda autofocus Always worked this way, from 40D to nowadays

Well, then let me put it another way or I'm getting flamed by some well-known Canon enthusiast: The firmware of 40d-60d has only very basic features for servo af, namely turning it on or off. One thing that would be easy to implement is to tell the camera how long I can move the af frame away from the tracked object before the camera searches for a new object for lock onto.

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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2012, 09:13:36 PM »
I have had some issues with poor AI Servo function on the 60D, but only with fast, small objects (flying birds). Otherwise I'm pretty happy to use center point combined with back-button focus.

At least for my own use, I think I'd miss more shots from accidentally turning the mode dial and inadvertently setting it to some completely inappropriate setting than I would from some difference in AF ability. The mode dial lock was a big reason I upgraded from the t2i. That being said, I don't do much video so that isn't a factor for me.
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Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2012, 09:13:36 PM »