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Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2012, 02:07:41 PM »
I don't understand how a jump from 15 to 26 can be done with a firmware update either. Good question.

A friend and I brainstormed a few possibilities:
  • They had previously used the available RAM as a simple linear buffer, but changed their algorithm to use it as a circular buffer, allowing more images to be taken after the first was written to the card.
  • There was already a circular buffer, but the write order was optimized.
  • A redundant write verification step may have been disabled.
  • A delay that only became evident when the camera was used with higher-speed cards than were available at launch may have been discovered and eliminated.  (If you need a very fast card to get 26; otherwise, it's not this one.)
  • Someone did something really boneheaded in the original coding and it slowed everything down.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2012, 02:13:44 PM »
I cant believe I didnt even notice this on the CR website. I Already love my 7D and this is gonna make Even More Awesome. I always hated not having manual audio control and an increased burst rate makes this  the best sports camera for the $$$$. I almost forgive you canon for the 5D3 but if you can do this with the 7D, you could surely do a wicked firmware update for the 5D3. (60fps at 1080P would be nice.)
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2012, 02:17:38 PM »
Thank-you Canon.  It makes my 7D and 5D Mark III all that much more a great pair.

I don't understand how a jump from 15 to 26 can be done with a firmware update either. Good question.

A friend and I brainstormed a few possibilities:
  • They had previously used the available RAM as a simple linear buffer, but changed their algorithm to use it as a circular buffer, allowing more images to be taken after the first was written to the card.
  • There was already a circular buffer, but the write order was optimized.
  • A redundant write verification step may have been disabled.
  • A delay that only became evident when the camera was used with higher-speed cards than were available at launch may have been discovered and eliminated.  (If you need a very fast card to get 26; otherwise, it's not this one.)
  • Someone did something really boneheaded in the original coding and it slowed everything down.

Good thoughts. 

I have to believe they already use Circular Buffers, but they may not have been very good at it.  This brings the other elements into play.  At the time they may have prioritized other tasks thinking they had the time; or yes, it could have been crappy programming.  The hack guys may have a better opinion of the quality of Canon's embedded programming.  It could also be an improvement in their proprietary OS that gave them more time/space headroom.

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I almost forgive you canon for the 5D3 but if you can do this with the 7D, you could surely do a wicked firmware update for the 5D3. (60fps at 1080P would be nice.)

I have to believe this round is a derivative of the work done for the 5D Mark III.   Sounds like the same team.  But yes, hopefully they can get back to 5D3 upgrades; or maybe they'll be tasked with the high MP camera.


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Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2012, 02:20:54 PM »
So, what will a 7DII be like? Are these hints of a probable change towards FF or aps-h?

7DII would never be FF. wildlife & sports photographers would go crazy :P
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2012, 02:23:55 PM »

I have to believe they already use Circular Buffers, but they may not have been very good at it.  This brings the other elements into play.  At the time they may have prioritized other tasks thinking they had the time; or yes, it could have been crappy programming.  The hack guys may have a better opinion of the quality of Canon's embedded programming.  It could also be an improvement in their proprietary OS that gave them more time/space headroom.


The question on my mind is whether the technique they used here could be used to squeeze one or two more photos out of a RAW burst on the T2i/T3i/etc.  Not that they'd bother backporting it even if it could...

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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2012, 02:24:36 PM »
So, what will a 7DII be like? Are these hints of a probable change towards FF or aps-h?

7DII would bever be FF. wildlife & sports photographers would go crazy :P

That 1.6X Extension for Free is too good to have available.   I see the 7DII likely to benefit from the work on High MP sensors.  Low Noise, higher FPS (maybe 12 as crop), great AF.  With that, it maintains a great pairing with the FF's for those who need a backup or need the reach with the same lens bag.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2012, 02:27:11 PM »
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IMPROVED RAW MAXIMUM BURST

In the EOS 7D the maximum burst of RAW file frames was 15 – with the firmware update this will be significantly increased so that the camera’s buffer will handle up to 26 RAW frames in a continuous burst.


now... with my 600x/90mbs cards I can shoot 26 RAW frames continuously already so I don't really understand this...
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
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« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2012, 02:27:24 PM »
They had me at manual volume control.  ;D FINALLY!

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« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2012, 02:30:43 PM »
well, since they were at it, they could have gone the full mile ... and added EC in Manual mode with Auto ISO too. 

I can't think of a reasonable explanation why they wouldn't include that and AEB capability in both the 5D3 and this new 7D firmware. It seems like such a nobrainer. I also want a shutter speed safety shift for when there is too much light (e.g., the sun comes out from behind the clouds) in "M" W/Auto ISO and the camera starts to overexpose. Using "A" with Auto ISO would almost do this except that, with my 5D3, the fastest "Min Shutter Speed" that can be set is 1/250. I want 1/1000, at least.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2012, 02:37:03 PM »
Thanks Canon! Some welcome additions!  ;D

Obviously 7DII won't be coming for some time, but these are really worthwhile upgrades in the meantime.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2012, 02:40:43 PM »
5 or 7 AEB bracketing would sure be nice.. considering what else they are doing it should be a simple addition. i hope they dont leave that only to the 5dmkIII and above

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« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2012, 02:46:52 PM »
Obviously means no 7DII coming soon.

SUPER happy with new firmware =D
Or it means that the 7DII is going to be way more expensive ($2500) and they are going to keep the 7D in the product line.

+1   They are going to introduce a 7D2, probably about a grand below the 5D3 in price -> could also suggest that it may be APS-H with new 61-point AF as well as 1DX and 5D3, but still a crop sensor.

And like the retention of the 5D2, Canon will likely keep the 7D mk I as an entry-level sports/wildlife camera. In fact, if a new 7D2 had a 24MP APS-H with massively improved AF, a lot of current 7D owners wold buy the new model whilst simultaneously keeping their old 7D as both a backup + alternative crop (slightly longer reach) camera body.

Clearly Canon is looking to extend it's product line further, while introducing new higher priced models.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2012, 02:52:36 PM »
5 or 7 AEB bracketing would sure be nice.. considering what else they are doing it should be a simple addition. i hope they dont leave that only to the 5dmkIII and above

Amen.   5 and 7 AEB is one of the most useable day-to-day improvements I have enjoyed with the 5D Mark III.  With the 7D, I need to take 3, then go into menu, shift it all, and take 3 more.  With the 5D Mark III, I can lay a -1 to +1 range on thirds.  Should not require any technology changes - just firmware.

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« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2012, 02:54:25 PM »
They are going to introduce a 7D2...could also suggest that it may be APS-H...

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2012, 03:12:59 PM »
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AUTO ISO MAXIMUM SETTING Within the EOS 7D’s shooting menu photographers will have the ability to set a maximum ISO speed for ISO Auto, within the ISO range of 400-6400, so that you can minimise the amount of noise in your images.

It's as if my prayers have been answered...  :D

it seems canon listen their customers...the next sensors will have an unbelievable DR and resolution ;)
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