Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon

[distant.star]

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Daft is actually quite fun, Brian. You should give it a go!

Daft though I be, I am rarely wrong.

If you see an APS-H in any Canon camera in the next few years, let me know. I'll come over and treat you to a nice tea biscuit and a few orange slices (California oranges!).

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The APS-H is DEAD and in it's grave as far as new products. RIP -- Get over it already.

That has never been stated by Canon - in fact there are hints that the APS-H sized sensor will be used in video.

It is daft to make statements like that unless you have inside info on Canon's technical tactical plans.

I would have said the recent 650D announcement and other rumours would have made it more likely. The APS-H sensor has proven itself at high mps which means that the rumoured non 1 series high mps might well be APS-H as a high mps ff would be more expensive and take the sales away from the 1DX (which isn't going to happen)

A 'inferior' APS-H sensored, small bodied, cheaper but high mps body would slot in nicely between the 5DIII and the 1DX.

I think it is APS-C which will come under pressure as the 'budget' sector puts in APS-C sensors - then the $500 handy cams would start giving images as good as the entry level DSLRs - meaning soccer mums and uncle joes would have no reason to buy DSLRs - in which case the volume entry level collapses taking with it the upgraders as well, just leaving the enthusiasts and a few pros

[unfocused]

Ha! Distant star you are right. Darn autocorrect, typing too fast and late night got to me.

[briansquibb]

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Daft is actually quite fun, Brian. You should give it a go!

Daft though I be, I am rarely wrong.

If you see an APS-H in any Canon camera in the next few years, let me know. I'll come over and treat you to a nice tea biscuit and a few orange slices (California oranges!).

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The APS-H is DEAD and in it's grave as far as new products. RIP -- Get over it already.

That has never been stated by Canon - in fact there are hints that the APS-H sized sensor will be used in video.

It is daft to make statements like that unless you have inside info on Canon's technical tactical plans.

I would have said the recent 650D announcement and other rumours would have made it more likely. The APS-H sensor has proven itself at high mps which means that the rumoured non 1 series high mps might well be APS-H as a high mps ff would be more expensive and take the sales away from the 1DX (which isn't going to happen)

A 'inferior' APS-H sensored, small bodied, cheaper but high mps body would slot in nicely between the 5DIII and the 1DX.

I think it is APS-C which will come under pressure as the 'budget' sector puts in APS-C sensors - then the $500 handy cams would start giving images as good as the entry level DSLRs - meaning soccer mums and uncle joes would have no reason to buy DSLRs - in which case the volume entry level collapses taking with it the upgraders as well, just leaving the enthusiasts and a few pros

It is distinctly possible you are correct that the APS-H wont appear in a Canon still camera. However it isn't a fact yet so it is probably unwise to state it as such.

PS I give lessons in daftness

[cycomachead]

5 or 7 AEB bracketing would sure be nice.. considering what else they are doing it should be a simple addition. i hope they dont leave that only to the 5dmkIII and above

Amen.   5 and 7 AEB is one of the most useable day-to-day improvements I have enjoyed with the 5D Mark III.  With the 7D, I need to take 3, then go into menu, shift it all, and take 3 more.  With the 5D Mark III, I can lay a -1 to +1 range on thirds.  Should not require any technology changes - just firmware.

Agreed. 1D bodies have done this forever.... It took me all of two minutes from the first time I used a 1D series to  miss this feature in every camera. To me, at least, specifying the step interval is more intuitive than seeing the overall range, but Canon could easily modify the current Q menu to makes things simple and provide good visual feedback.

[Marsu42]

I would imagine that Canon put in the size of ROM chip to suit the max. burst rate that best suit the output of the camera's firmware program.

From the Canon firmware sourcecode:

/* burst limit, consult marketing before changing */
/* note: hardware limit on the 7d is 30 */
/* obfuscate in code to hinder changes by user */
#define MAXIMUM_BURST_DUMB_USER_KLUDGE 26

[ruuneos]

Sounds SWEET!

[Aglet]

Pretty cool new bag of tricks for just firmware, glad to see it.  Maybe that'll help improve my less than enthusiastic enjoyment of my 7D.

I just hope that, as part of the boot sequence and every few minutes, they've enabled an automatic data-channel matching adjustment to reduce the low iso banding that often plagues some bodies.

[kdsand]

To me this presents two possibilities:
1) 7D owners are getting antsy so Canon is stalling until 7DII is ready as others have stated.
2) Some one else could potentially unlock or improve these features (such as magic lantern) which would at best embarrass Canon.


One thing I am certain of is there will be a definite clear cut 7D successor.  The 7D occupies the highest end crop sensor slot and there are lot of 7D owners waiting & wanting to give Canon their $ for a new and improved 7D. Seeing the great t4i features is exciting because the new 7D?? will certainly eclipse any Rebel.

[Marsu42]

Seeing the great t4i features is exciting because the new 7D?? will certainly eclipse any Rebel.

I don't see any 7d users longing for a swivel touchscreen, muti-shot still shot noise reduction or live video af from the 650d. What they (and I) for the moist part want is an improved sensor, and it is doubtful if Canon can or wants deliver this.

[kdsand]

Seeing the great t4i features is exciting because the new 7D?? will certainly eclipse any Rebel.

I don't see any 7d users longing for a swivel touchscreen, muti-shot still shot noise reduction or live video af from the 650d. What they (and I) for the moist part want is an improved sensor, and it is doubtful if Canon can or wants deliver this.

Regardless of what Canon may or may not want, a new 7D?? will need a new class leading crop sensor.
Much better ISO performance & noticeably improved AF. Much of the rest is just fluff, icing on the cake or a guilded lily.
They need to in order to make the market jump aboard.

 Tell you what include the toy camera affects then I'm all over it  just like a fly on ____ ! 

[pedro]

So, what will a 7DII be like? Are these hints of a probable change towards FF or aps-h?

7DII would never be FF. wildlife & sports photographers would go crazy

OR: What if the 7DII or 7Dx will be FF with an implemented 1.6 Crop mode? ISOs up to 25600? Wouldn't it make a perfect lower segment FF multiusable baby-1Dx-body? Or would this convert it into a 5Diii killer? Any comments welcome. Cheers, Pedro.

[Ew]

A 5d2 killer definitely - unless its priced @2600+ and the 5d2 drops to 1899.

[SPL]

I agree with many of these comments!  A new sensor is needed as I'm quite tired of the 7D noise and banding at low ISO.  7 shot AEB would be really, really nice also!

[pedro]

A 5d2 killer definitely - unless its priced @2600+ and the 5d2 drops to 1899.

I supposed my wishful thinking FF/Crop 1.6 7DX to be a fine replacement of the 5D2. And of course you are right, it wouldn't be a 5D3 killer at all. But an affordable body for many purposes. Tag it  US $ 2400 and you get a nice gap between APS-C and the next level FF body, the current 5D3. Any other comments welcome.

[crasher8]

A 5d2 killer definitely - unless its priced @2600+ and the 5d2 drops to 1899.

I supposed my wishful thinking FF/Crop 1.6 7DX to be a fine replacement of the 5D2. And of course you are right, it wouldn't be a 5D3 killer at all. But an affordable body for many purposes. Tag it  US $ 2400 and you get a nice gap between APS-C and the next level FF body, the current 5D3. Any other comments welcome.

THAT would be my dream crop body