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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #120 on: June 13, 2012, 01:34:26 PM »

Well look at all of the new big glass that Canon has announced and brought to market in the last 12 months. What do you think their strategy is?

Most of those glasses are out of reach for everybody who isn't a very specialised pro. And those guys are very few, it's not them who makes the market.

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« Reply #120 on: June 13, 2012, 01:34:26 PM »

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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #121 on: June 13, 2012, 02:33:10 PM »
Using a 1D-class body for the big megapixel camera would be insanely stupid, an open invitation for Canon studio and landscape photographers to buy a Nikon D800. The only thing worse than selling a low end camera that cannibalizes your high end camera sales is to have the damage done by a competitor's low end camera.

So, the D800 is 'low end' becasue it doesn't have integrated grip? Fascinating.

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« Reply #122 on: June 13, 2012, 02:42:40 PM »
Let go of APS-H people ... Canon already did. Move on ...

We have direct evidence that Canon let go of is a 1D5;  we dont have any direct evidence that they let go of APS-H, or that APS-H will not emerge in another body.   While it is plausable to suggest that APS-H itself is dead (an opinion shared by the owner of this site), the current crop of rumors is conspicuously absent any clues regarding the wildlife/BIF crop body market.  Unless Canon totally abandons this market, we should see a premium crop body of some sort, either 1.6x or 1.3x, positioned somewhere between 70D and 1DX.  To me, if such a camera is a 1.6x it will be a 7D2. If it is a 1.3x it will have some other single digit showing on the front.

APS-H is an accident of history, not a product of design. It represents the maximum sensor size that canon could manufacture at that time with a single pass. They can now do that for 35mm sensors.

Canon is not the only manufacturer of APS-H

APS-H has been consistently the top sports performer for about 10 years.

Why dump it when APS-C is about to be swamped by the P&S APS-C?

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« Reply #123 on: June 13, 2012, 03:03:24 PM »
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exactly. Canon has never hinted that APS-H is dead . that came from this site

No. Actually it didn't. It came from Canon announcing the merger of the two 1D models into one, which included statements that said that up-sampling images from the new 1DX would result in a quality comparable to the APS-H crop. They later made statements about keeping their options open and general statements about their commitment to professional sports and wildlife photographers. 

well, not to nit pick, but the most direct statement about APS-H being dead came from this site. Canon has never stated APS-H is dead, as the owner of this site has done.  To be sure  inferences of such can be plausibly drawn from the Canon statements, but one can also infer that Canon's commitment to pro sports togs does not mean to forcing them into buying longer glass.   
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I'm not arguing the quality of the format. But, if you travel the technology highway you'll see the ditches are filled with products that were of higher quality than those that ran them off the road.

sure, Sony Beta is one example.  but all of this is just to say that one opinion is as good as another;  if Canon decides they can be profitable and that market demands H they will do it, and we'll just have to see what direction they take.  Its just my preference to avoid dwelling on the perceived transitional nature of APS-H, and instead concentrate on what it means for Canon to remain committed to pro sports. 

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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #124 on: June 13, 2012, 03:23:17 PM »
if you mostly shoot video why yuo getting the 5Dmark III? the video is even softer on the mark III...I'd get the 5D2 and save a bunch...

Have you even used a 5DIII or are you just repeating what you've read here and there on the web?  I'm guessing if you're putting it down then you don't have one.  It isn't "softer" than the 5DII, I have both and shooting with the 5DIII is a pleasure compared to the 5DII.  It handles noise much better, virtually no moire/artifacts, 1080p HDMI out makes pulling focus much easier, it's a beast in low-light and (most importantly) it responds to changes in post infinitely better than 5DII footage did.  With the 5DII even changing the white balance could seriously degrade the footage, the artifacts made it damn near impossible to sharpen, not to mention the annoying moire.
And the video features are barely anything compared to the massive improvements on the stills side.  I don't see why people think they are qualified to recommend/not recommend something they have never used, cut it out.

Sir, you just made me pull the trigger. I thank you.

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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #125 on: June 13, 2012, 05:12:55 PM »
im excited to see if there will be an "entry level" FF. I have my eyes set on a 5Dmrk3 soon time, but id like to see what canon has up their sleeve. I cant wait though!!!! SDFDGRWGR
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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #126 on: June 13, 2012, 05:26:30 PM »
im excited to see if there will be an "entry level" FF. I have my eyes set on a 5Dmrk3 soon time, but id like to see what canon has up their sleeve. I cant wait though!!!! SDFDGRWGR

I'm very interested too, but wouldn't get excited to soon: To protect their 5d3, an "entry ff" body will likely be a paper box with no features around the well-known ff sensor from the 5d3... and this wouldn't be very competitive vs. the (rumored!) d600, Canon might not go this way at all atm.

After 1-2 years after the 5d3 release, Canon might trickle down the sensor & features like the 7d -> 60d, but not after a few month - even Canon marketing would have a hard time explaining this to 5d3 customers.

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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #126 on: June 13, 2012, 05:26:30 PM »

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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #127 on: June 13, 2012, 05:54:32 PM »
if you mostly shoot video why yuo getting the 5Dmark III? the video is even softer on the mark III...I'd get the 5D2 and save a bunch...

Have you even used a 5DIII or are you just repeating what you've read here and there on the web?  I'm guessing if you're putting it down then you don't have one.  It isn't "softer" than the 5DII, I have both and shooting with the 5DIII is a pleasure compared to the 5DII.  It handles noise much better, virtually no moire/artifacts, 1080p HDMI out makes pulling focus much easier, it's a beast in low-light and (most importantly) it responds to changes in post infinitely better than 5DII footage did.  With the 5DII even changing the white balance could seriously degrade the footage, the artifacts made it damn near impossible to sharpen, not to mention the annoying moire.
And the video features are barely anything compared to the massive improvements on the stills side.  I don't see why people think they are qualified to recommend/not recommend something they have never used, cut it out.

Sir, you just made me pull the trigger. I thank you.

Hello Mr 5D MK3.

You're very welcome, it's a great camera and even if you didn't like it for some reason you can sell it in a heartbeat with virtually no loss.  It's been a joy to shoot with and it's hard to go back to the Mark II after using it. 
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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #128 on: June 13, 2012, 06:39:42 PM »

I'm picturing a Mk2 sensor in a rebel body ...

I agree, if it's priced between the POS 60D and the EOS 7D, that's all it could be. A resin body for sure, maybe a PentaMirror instead of a PentaPrism, no weather sealing ...

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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #129 on: June 13, 2012, 06:48:00 PM »

I would think that studio/portrait shooters do need the vertical grip - you cant shoot all day without one


Ive no interest in carrying around a cast iron brick all day. I'll take a 5D3 or a D800 anytime over a 1Ds or a D3. YMMV

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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #130 on: June 13, 2012, 07:11:48 PM »
I have interest ,but would be fine with an optional grip, even with the (lack of) weather sealing that is implied.  The option to go either way would be attractive. 

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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #131 on: June 13, 2012, 07:16:29 PM »

And an entry-level full-frame is where you hook your high ticket buyers. You go full-frame, you start buying L glass...


Why would Low Budget full frame buyers buy High-Dollar L-glass? Seems likely they would buy a 5D3 if they had L-glass money. It's much more likely that Low Budget Buyers will buy the Low Cost 24mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.8 and the 85mm f/1.8. Or variable f/stop zoomz.

BTW, Nikon has much more friendly prices on their mid-range lenses. Their 28mm f/1.8 costs less than the Canon 28mm f/2.8 fore instance.

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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #132 on: June 13, 2012, 07:25:36 PM »
I have interest ,but would be fine with an optional grip, even with the (lack of) weather sealing that is implied.  The option to go either way would be attractive.
This.

Why do they even have to make the 1D size cameras? This makes them completely unattractive for me and others who NEVER want to have the extra size and bulk of a griped body.

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« Reply #133 on: June 13, 2012, 07:36:44 PM »
when the grip style body is desired for ergonomics (for example, lots of vertical shooting handheld) larger/longer battery life, and duplicate controls such as the shutter button,   there are real estate advantages to put more buttons in more places to make the user interface more usable and flexible/customizable.


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« Reply #134 on: June 13, 2012, 07:44:39 PM »

And an entry-level full-frame is where you hook your high ticket buyers. You go full-frame, you start buying L glass...


Why would Low Budget full frame buyers buy High-Dollar L-glass? Seems likely they would buy a 5D3 if they had L-glass money. It's much more likely that Low Budget Buyers will buy the Low Cost 24mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.8 and the 85mm f/1.8. Or variable f/stop zoomz.

BTW, Nikon has much more friendly prices on their mid-range lenses. Their 28mm f/1.8 costs less than the Canon 28mm f/2.8 fore instance.

FF and L Glass is where you take full advantage of the highest possible IQ.  For those on fixed budgets, for example, the cost difference between two camera bodies can be applied to glass, yielding more high quality shots than investing the same amount in a more expensive body. 

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Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #134 on: June 13, 2012, 07:44:39 PM »