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Re: Canon EOS-1D X Availability [CR3]
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2012, 07:00:15 PM »
I think you have to take into account we are nearing the physical limits of sensor performance in their current form.

From the 1Ds3 it's been 5 years to reach the 1Dx so there has to of been a reason for that. It won't of been for a lack of R&D funding, it would of been due to limits in technology. So what do they release as an upgrade to a 1Dx? Which for all intents and purposes is as perfect a camera with all the extras you could want.

How can they improve it? This will be what keeps an updated version from appearing so I stick by at least 4 years.

+1 What do people expect of the cycle of flagship camera improvements? These aren't minor tweaks to a Rebel.  While I think Canon severely dropped the ball with the 1D MKIII/ 1D MKIV (both were severely flawed and/or lacked significant improvements), and lagged with a successor to the 1DS MKIII, I don't think the camera technology has improved that significantly since even the 1D MKII/ 1DS MKII releases, until the 1DX. That camera looks to answer all the flaws in previous models, minus flash sync speed. It's finally a worthy upgrade from even the MKII series cameras, and those are over 8 years old.
   If someone can't use say a 1DS MKII satisfactorily, and feels need to buy every new release that hits the shelves, they may need to re-evaluate their photographic abilities.  A camera company's current technology shouldn't dictate the quality of one's photos, the person behind it should.

The 1D Mark IV is severely flawed and/or lacks significant improvements in the 2009 era?  Um, sure, ok.  I haven't missed focus yet in any lighting and the 1D X is only 2 mp more of resolution.  Now I know, a list of other improvements will be explained to me.  But then when I try to list other improvements of the 5D Mark III over the 5D Mark II, "other improvements" don't count then.  Seems to me everyone already has their own minds made up.  If you want deep down a camera to be great, even if it's not, the argument and fight will be made to the hill that it is.  If one thinks a camera isn't great, even if it is, then the fight will be made that it isn't.  If the 5D Mark III supposedly only has marginal improvements over the 5D Mark II, then so does the 1D X over the 1Ds Mark III and 1D Mark IV.  Can't make the same argument two different ways to suit need.

I was agreeing with what you originally posted, and took also issue with the post whom you were replying to; hence "+1".  I stand behind my statements.  The 1D MKIV is severely flawed even for 2009; one reason= APS-H sensor. Not to mention any file shot above ISO 1600 is as good trash. I was talking about 1D series bodies. There was no mention of 5 D series bodies; they are not the flagship Canon camera bodies. And I've already seen, held, and shot with the 1DX at Photo Plus in New York last October; it lives up to the hype.
There is no "make the same argument two different ways to suit need"; sorry buddy.

Ok.  That's fair enough.
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Re: Canon EOS-1D X Availability [CR3]
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2012, 07:00:15 PM »

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« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2012, 07:01:12 PM »
I think you have to take into account we are nearing the physical limits of sensor performance in their current form.

From the 1Ds3 it's been 5 years to reach the 1Dx so there has to of been a reason for that. It won't of been for a lack of R&D funding, it would of been due to limits in technology. So what do they release as an upgrade to a 1Dx? Which for all intents and purposes is as perfect a camera with all the extras you could want.

How can they improve it? This will be what keeps an updated version from appearing so I stick by at least 4 years.

Personally I dont buy the story that the 1D4 and 1DS3 lines have been merged into the 1DX.

1D4 ==> 1DX , yes
1DS3 ==> 1DX, no

If the 1DX had been 22mp then that would have been logical (and good)

Given the recent success of Nikon with the D800 and after trying it myself, I think Canon will readjust its strategy.  I high  MP camera in a 1 series body seem more probable now...

Canon has to have a good sensor though.
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« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2012, 07:10:41 PM »
  The 1D MKIV is severely flawed even for 2009; one reason= APS-H sensor. Not to mention any file shot above ISO 1600 is as good trash.

Well I guess you must have had a poor version then if you owned a 1D4?

Technology is not an issue - image IQ is. So the comment about APS-H is hollow and not relevent. In 2009 top IQ was served by the 5D2 amd the 1DS3. No other camera of that time got even close to the 1D4. The 1D4 was also the best IQ in low light at the time - plus of course the advantages of 10fps and all the other 1 series advantages.

Only iso 1600 - please dont make me laugh  - trash doesn't start until 12800  :o :o :o Perhaps you mis-read the article that talked about the 7D and iso 1600?



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Re: Canon EOS-1D X Availability [CR3]
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2012, 06:27:47 AM »
During Euro 2012 in Poland, a friend of mine saw four 1D X's . Probably pre-production models, but still nice to see.


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Re: Canon EOS-1D X Availability [CR3]
« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2012, 10:33:26 AM »
During Euro 2012 in Poland, a friend of mine saw four 1D X's . Probably pre-production models, but still nice to see.

hmmmm..... you think al 4 belonged to the same tog?

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« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2012, 10:35:06 AM »

I know this is still a rumour, but I was just wondering why Olympic photographers should be given a "higher" status than another pro who is working in rural Africa?? What makes the one's job more important than the other?


Visibility.  Unfortunately, it comes down to visibility for them, not for us!

Exactly what I meant  ;)

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« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2012, 11:09:19 AM »
During Euro 2012 in Poland, a friend of mine saw four 1D X's . Probably pre-production models, but still nice to see.

hmmmm..... you think al 4 belonged to the same tog?

Thought my bag felt light ....  ::) ::) ::)

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« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2012, 11:09:19 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS-1D X Availability [CR3]
« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2012, 11:25:37 AM »
During Euro 2012 in Poland, a friend of mine saw four 1D X's . Probably pre-production models, but still nice to see.

hmmmm..... you think al 4 belonged to the same tog?

Thought my bag felt light ....  ::) ::) ::)

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 lol   ;)
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Re: Canon EOS-1D X Availability [CR3]
« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2012, 03:00:56 PM »

So 2 and a half years and 3 years respectively. If this is going to be Canon's one and only top Pro body I cant believe they will wait 4 years to refresh it, that's an age in product turnover particularly in the electronics industry.

In fact 9 months could be an age too! ;-)
So if they don't release the 1D X soon, they will need to release the next generation in a short time. Finally, the competitors will not wait to take the next step.

With all due respect, what are you talking about? Please refer to the timelines of both Canon's and Nikon's flagship camera releases for time period it takes for updating those cameras. It's getting more and more spaced out, not less.

Not sure if you were referring to my statement on the timescales or Emilio's, if you were referring to mine then I am merely using dates announcement dates which are published on DP Review to show what the update frequencies have been for previous Canon Pro Models. This was in relation to a previous answer which stated it could be 4 years to the next version of the 1Dx which in my opinion is not a duration Canon would opt for.
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Re: Canon EOS-1D X Availability [CR3]
« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2012, 05:59:05 PM »
Not sure if you were referring to my statement on the timescales or Emilio's, if you were referring to mine then I am merely using dates announcement dates which are published on DP Review to show what the update frequencies have been for previous Canon Pro Models. This was in relation to a previous answer which stated it could be 4 years to the next version of the 1Dx which in my opinion is not a duration Canon would opt for.

My statement on the timescales is just a joke. 9 months since the 1DX was announced, means that the timescale will be also 9 months shorten.

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Re: Canon EOS-1D X Availability [CR3]
« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2012, 07:20:03 AM »
During Euro 2012 in Poland, a friend of mine saw four 1D X's . Probably pre-production models, but still nice to see.

hmmmm..... you think al 4 belonged to the same tog?

Probably to one agency.

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« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2012, 04:19:42 PM »

Stop press

1DX will be released on the32nd of Julember.

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Re: Canon EOS-1D X Availability [CR3]
« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2012, 07:51:05 PM »
1Dx on order.  Check. 
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« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2012, 10:04:50 AM »
Not sure if you were referring to my statement on the timescales or Emilio's, if you were referring to mine then I am merely using dates announcement dates which are published on DP Review to show what the update frequencies have been for previous Canon Pro Models. This was in relation to a previous answer which stated it could be 4 years to the next version of the 1Dx which in my opinion is not a duration Canon would opt for.

My statement on the timescales is just a joke. 9 months since the 1DX was announced, means that the timescale will be also 9 months shorten.

Emilio I was asking Joe J who he was referring to not you, I knew what you meant and I agree.
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