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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2012, 05:26:46 PM »
I guess the only way to get a mirrorless camera with FF is to dish out out $7000 - $8000 for the Leica M9, or the upcoming M10.

But why on Earth would anybody buy one of those when you could instead get a 5DIII with a Shorty McForty? You get a far better camera for half the price, one that's not much bigger, and that oh-by-the-way can mount nearly any 135-format lens ever made. Plus, it's got a real viewfinder.

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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2012, 05:34:07 PM »
A native EF/EF-S ring could be done but you'd still need a spacer to use existing EF/EF-S lenses. They could call the new lenses EF-X and design them with the short focal flange depth. These spacers already exist for macro photography...they would just need to be made with is the exact difference between the EF-X and the standard mirrored flange depth (44mm). If they made the native distance 19mm (4/3 is 19.25mm FYI), then a standard 25mm tube would work without having to manufacture anything new or special or fancy. No waiting 8 months for the adapter to hit shelves.

They would never do this of course...but then again they did make EF-S lenses that could damage a FF camera if mounted on a 5D so who knows...anything is possible.
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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2012, 05:38:31 PM »
I have a 5D Mark III and a lot of L glass and such...
...but I use two MicroFourThirds cameras all of the time.  I have ten lenses, all AF and 8 of them fast primes.  I have from fisheye to 350mm (equiv.).  Is the IQ and Versatility as good as my 5D ....Hell No!..BUT the images are damn good! I WOW DSLR owners with them all of the time. ..usually on a gallery wall.  No kidding. I own OM-D and GX-1 (LVF-2) bodies. They complement each other perfectly..and give the system a lot of versatility. I do not see Canon besting this. Sensor basically the same size on the new mirrorless with I am sure 3 pedestrian lenses.
I can really run out the door with a pocket full of kryptonite with some of the lens & body choices in MFT.  It is a cool, FUN "system". Really FUN!  It offers waaaaaaay more than soccer-Mom results. No doubt.
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2012, 06:09:42 PM »
I’ve heard a lot of good things about the G1 X. If the mirrorless camera has the exact same sensor, what would persuade you to buy the mirrorless instead of the G1 X? Stylish design, a better viewfinder and battery? What makes it worth a possible substantial investment in new lenses? I’m a bit lost.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see, as well as hope for better news.

Because the G1X does not have an inter-changable lens. I am guessing the consumer mirrorless would be a G1X with a lens mount for different lenses.

Just my thought.
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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2012, 06:17:04 PM »
I fully expect the lowest possible consumer-crappy mirrorless camera from Canon.
It will be a G1X with a lens mount and possibly a sorry little EVF instead of the G1X's sorry little OVF.
The lenses will be three sorry crappy kit lenses, a 28-90 equivalent f/3.5-5.6 kit zoom, a slow 40mm pancake of some sort and a slow tele zoom.

Autofocus will be dead slow like on the G1X. It will not have the hybrid FPPD-AF + CD-AF of the 650D.
fps and operational speed will be dead slow. The thing will suck in every possible way and still cost as much as a 60D.

I really hate them for it already in advance.

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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2012, 06:21:38 PM »
Honestly?

Thanks to the Shorty McForty, I have no interest in a mirrorless camera.

Agreed, with a camera for my wife, son, and one on the belt (S100) I'm drowning in chargers and batteries. Not to mention the old Rebel I keep with me because it's a crop body.

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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2012, 06:36:20 PM »
I have a 5D Mark III and a lot of L glass and such...
...but I use two MicroFourThirds cameras all of the time.  I have ten lenses, all AF and 8 of them fast primes.  I have from fisheye to 350mm (equiv.).  Is the IQ and Versatility as good as my 5D ....Hell No!..BUT the images are damn good! I WOW DSLR owners with them all of the time. ..usually on a gallery wall.  No kidding. I own OM-D and GX-1 (LVF-2) bodies. They complement each other perfectly..and give the system a lot of versatility. I do not see Canon besting this. Sensor basically the same size on the new mirrorless with I am sure 3 pedestrian lenses.
I can really run out the door with a pocket full of kryptonite with some of the lens & body choices in MFT.  It is a cool, FUN "system". Really FUN!  It offers waaaaaaay more than soccer-Mom results. No doubt.
How do you like the OM-D?  I am thinking to get one for my wife.  She doesn't like my 5D2.  It's too heavy for her.
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2012, 07:19:46 PM »
We’ve heard only little bits of info about the mirrorless camera. The most notable is mentions that it will use the same sized sensor as the G1 X, and maybe even the exact same sensor.

And there we have it! This is exactly what I predicted a couple of weeks ago! Yet another let down down from Canon is on the horizon.

I guess the only way to get a mirrorless camera with FF is to dish out out $7000 - $8000 for the Leica M9, or the upcoming M10.

Dear Canon, why have you ceased to innovate and amaze?

Given that the consumer end of the range will be targeted at P&S upgraders, I can't see anything larger in terms of sensor size than the G1X sensor (or APS-C).

I will be a bit disappointed if Canon does not use the sensor tech from the 650D - the AF in the G1X has come in for a bit of criticism, so having phase detect AF would be a good improvement.

I will probably hold out for the prosumer/pro models to be announced.
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2012, 07:37:18 PM »

How do you like the OM-D?  I am thinking to get one for my wife.  She doesn't like my 5D2.  It's too heavy for her.
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I really like that camera..I consider that my "big" MFT camera. (I have big hands and it really needs the top half of the battery grip for me. Making it a bigger package)  It really offers a lot of versatility in a small package. It's small and the lenses are small!  Pany will soon be offering a f/2.8 12-35mm zoom (24-70mm equiv.).  Put that baby on the OM-D and that would be a lot of camera in a small package with IS.
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2012, 07:38:41 PM »
well I guess that all but nails down what we already knew:

sony is the only game in town for quality mirrorless. Unlike canon/nikon, sony doesn't have a market to protec so they are not messing around and hold back on their mirrorless to protect their entry level dslr market.

I was hoping I could keep some canon gear after my switch out of their dslr system. It seems I'm going to be shooting nikon dslrs with sony NEX mirrorless.

things change huh.....

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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2012, 07:47:33 PM »
G1X sensor is a very good center piece for their first mirrorless camera.

If there are going to be mirrorless cameras above this one then there is every chance that one of the future cameras will have an APS-C sized sensor and be an EF-S native mount, that is unless the new lens mount has lenses capable of projecting an image circle big enough for an APS-C sensor.

Remember that part of the difference between an EF/EF-S lens and those for the mirrorless is the distance from the focal point to where the image plane is expected to be for accurate distance readings.

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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2012, 08:11:36 PM »
G1X sensor is a very good center piece for their first mirrorless camera.

If there are going to be mirrorless cameras above this one then there is every chance that one of the future cameras will have an APS-C sized sensor and be an EF-S native mount, that is unless the new lens mount has lenses capable of projecting an image circle big enough for an APS-C sensor.

Remember that part of the difference between an EF/EF-S lens and those for the mirrorless is the distance from the focal point to where the image plane is expected to be for accurate distance readings.

the problem is that as soon as you say EF mount you're talking a legacy mount designed to be X distance from the sensor to clear the mirror. I expect everybody will have to dump their mirror based mounts to be able to make smaller cameras. You can always slap an adapter to mount old EF mount lenses.

I'd love to see an end to the mirror based mounts. they are unecessarily huge and too far away from the sensor.

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« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2012, 08:42:39 PM »
Why do people whine about the size of DSLRs? quality has to come at a price - even if todays best quality will be available in a GoPro-sized body, a regular size DSLR would still bring quality, that is that much better.

Also, this is just an early rumor - no one said it's going to have G1X's sensor. Proof is in the pudding - pancake 40mm points towards a bigger sensor (and no new mount?)...

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« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2012, 09:36:22 PM »
Why do people whine about the size of DSLRs? quality has to come at a price - even if todays best quality will be available in a GoPro-sized body, a regular size DSLR would still bring quality, that is that much better.

Also, this is just an early rumor - no one said it's going to have G1X's sensor. Proof is in the pudding - pancake 40mm points towards a bigger sensor (and no new mount?)...

It's about use cases.  I think for most professional and a lot of enthusiast use cases, the size of a DSLR is more appropriate.  For protracted use on a large job, with a big lens attached, the format of a "large" DSLR, with a portrait grip is the most ergonomic.  IF you need higher quality than a DSLR can offer, you need to goo medium format.

For people wanting a compact camera, where size, weight, or obtrusiveness are an issue, a smaller system has a lot of benefits.  This includes some specialist professional uses (probably mainly reportage).  A smaller camera also has a lot going for it for street photography.

I think most people who want a small (mirrorless) system are not expecting the same IQ, focusing capability etc. as a 5DIII or a 1DX.  Those who are wanting a mirrorless system for a reason other than upgrading from P&S are mostly  aware that there is a compromise on quality relative to a DSLR.

For myself, I want a camera that I can easily take with while cycling, as I tend to be out and about a lot on my bike at sunrise and sunset, for air travel, and for situations where a DSLR is too obtrusive.  I would probably settle for a general purpose zoom with IS and a few of primes (wide, normal and portrait).  The system needs to be compatible with my current Speedlites (i.e. hotshoe is a must-have), and should have an adapter to use EF lenses for the odd occasion when I want to use a more specialised lens.
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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2012, 10:29:51 PM »
Why couldn't it be an FD-mount and offer focus peaking like the Sony's NEX line.  It would make using our old glass fun again, plus there would be a ton of cheap, but good quality glass to use already. And make an EF-mount adapter for some L-glass goodness  ;D

Oh and I really hope it's at least an APS-C sensor.  I mean they already have a sensor made that would work perfectly in the T4i, since it has the center phase detect pixels (I think) to help AF. 

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