Weather Sealing for EOS cameras

[dilbert]

Can you back that claim up with anything concrete?
Or is this just a case of drinking too much Canon kool-aid?

The 1DsIII white paper indicates that environmental sealing is one of the improvements compared to the 1DsII.  Maybe you consider that Canon kool-aid, though.  Regardless, even if the 1DsII is no better than the EOS-1V, the current 1-series are better than that. 

Sorry, I missed this.

The comparative measuring points that we have are:

FWIW, the weather sealing of the 5DII and 50D is described by Canon as, "...almost the equal of the EOS-1N."

and your comment above. We also know that the 1V is better than the 1N and that the 1D series is better than those under it.

So what do we know in terms of weather sealing?

1V > 1N > (5DII, 50D)
1Ds3 > 1Ds2

However in terms of cost:
50D < 1V < 1N < 5DII

Are there any proclamations that allow the 1D series weather sealing to be compared with prior 1 series cameras?

One is given to wonder if "better weather sealing" will be something that each new generation of camera delivers like Canon keep claiming "2 stops better JPEGs".

[crasher8]

neuro you sir are the sheldon cooper of cameras you know everything hasn't canon offered you a job yet?and how in the hell aren't you a mod yet?

Coming from the cycling world I would have used Sheldon Brown!

[Marsu42]

One is given to wonder if "better weather sealing" will be something that each new generation of camera delivers like Canon keep claiming "2 stops better JPEGs".

On specs you cannot nail down in the testing lab, it's is good practice in every industry to append some marketing talk to every new release. Afaik there are environmental testing standards for computer equipment, is there any way to really compare sealing across different bodies?

[expatinasia]

is there any way to really compare sealing across different bodies?

Of course, but it would cost whoever does it a fair amount as they would probably have to push each body to the death or close to that point. But identical rain simulation, heavier rain, sumbersion etc can all be tested.

[PeterJ]

For industrial systems the IP rating is common:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code

But for warranties if Canon rated a camera at say IP64 and tested as such how would they really know when processing a warranty claim if it was subjected to conditions that needed IP66 or more? For consumer / low-budget (relatively) professional products there would be a lot of incentive to say you'd only used the gear in heavy rain briefly, when you'd really dropped it in water or been outside in rain for hours.

[smithy]

Well if I had to shoot in heavy rain, I would prefer to take my 1V out in it rather than my 5D3.  The 1V still feels more 'pro' in the hand (ie, durable, with visible rubber gaskets for weather sealing) than the 5D3.  But of course, with rain often comes poor lighting, and that's where the 1V loses...

I've used my 40D in heavy rain, and the thing that always stops working on it first is the joystick.  Once this happens, I just carry on shooting and when I've finished I just put it somewhere warm and dry for a while and it's fine after that.

[sanderW]

My 5D3 stopped working while using it in some rain. I was using it with the 24-70mm F2.8 L on it.

This has never happened with my 5D2 or 7D, which I have used in even worse conditions.

Luckily it could be repaired.. Costs 270 EURO, not covered by warranty... I won't take my 5D3 out in the rain anymore.

Wondering if I just had a bad camera or if it's a problem with all 5D3's....

[Marsu42]

This has never happened with my 5D2 or 7D, which I have used in even worse conditions.

Imho doesn't mean anything, you might have been lucky with the 5d2/7d or unlucky with the 5d3.

Where did the water leak in, and what did they replace/rapair (not much I guess, because labor is about 200$ standard fee for picking up the screwdriver)?

[sanderW]

Where did the water leak in, and what did they replace/rapair

The repair report only quoted:"Waterdamage" and replacement part:"PCB"... Which can basically mean anything.

[Marsu42]

Where did the water leak in, and what did they replace/rapair

The repair report only quoted:"Waterdamage" and replacement part:"PCB"... Which can basically mean anything.

Hmmm... did you dry your camera after you used in rain - in dry rice, silicon packs or equivalent?

[TrumpetPower!]

Unless I'm missing something, except for framerate, the 5DIII is better in every single specification than the 1V. Really, the 5DIII mops the floor with the 1V -- autofocus, metering, image quality, buffer (sure, the 1V has a 24- or 36-shot buffer, but just look at how long it takes to clear it out), low light work, flash control...you name it, the 5DIII is better. In a whole differrent league better.

So remind me again why you're whinging that a camera that's better than anything you could ever buy in the film era and which is selling better than any film-era camera costs more than a film-era camera?

If you can't afford it, that's cool. I want my own Cessna, but I can't afford the $400,000 or whatever to buy one new. That doesn't mean it's overpriced, just that I can't afford it. But if I were to start complaining about how it's overpriced, the only reaction I'd get is the same one you're getting: grow up.

b&

[smithy]

Unless I'm missing something, except for framerate, the 5DIII is better in every single specification than the 1V. Really, the 5DIII mops the floor with the 1V -- autofocus, metering, image quality, buffer (sure, the 1V has a 24- or 36-shot buffer, but just look at how long it takes to clear it out), low light work, flash control...you name it, the 5DIII is better. In a whole differrent league better.

So remind me again why you're whinging that a camera that's better than anything you could ever buy in the film era and which is selling better than any film-era camera costs more than a film-era camera?

The 1V can autofocus at f/8, and I believe spot metering can be linked to the AF points, which is a clear advantage over the 5D3.  Not to mention the 1V's superlative build quality.  I love my 5D3 - but there's still a place for quality film and film cameras, IMHO.

[sanderW]

My 5D3 stopped working while using it in some rain. I was using it with the 24-70mm F2.8 L on it.

This has never happened with my 5D2 or 7D, which I have used in even worse conditions.

Luckily it could be repaired.. Costs 270 EURO, not covered by warranty... I won't take my 5D3 out in the rain anymore.

Wondering if I just had a bad camera or if it's a problem with all 5D3's....

Got a message from my pro representative that they want to refund the repair.  Thumbs up for Canon!!