EOS 7D Mark II

[crasher8]

UF nailed it. With one caveat. The entire nomenclature of entry level and semi pro wording will become a tangled mess and no one will ever agree unless Canon decides to make just two camera bodies and no more.

[bdunbar79]

On message boards it is so easy to do this Brian.  They cannot "see" you therefore they retort whatever insults they care to because there is no personal connection or consequence.

[CR Backup Admin]

On message boards it is so easy to do this Brian.  They cannot "see" you therefore they retort whatever insults they care to because there is no personal connection or consequence.

Actually, there are several moderators who try to monitor posts, and remove those which insult users.  Rather than reply and start a flame war, its better just to report a inappropriate post.  The forum is able to keep track of warnings and that can lead to a ban, but thats not a common situation.

We try to discourage flaming others, so posters should read their posts carefully before posting.  To make things even more complex, we have different cultures represented with different perceptions and some of them may think that posts that are allowed elsewhere are acceptable here. 

There are some general rules in the site information area that we try to enforce.

Thanks for being such a good group, and be civil

[DianeK]

We'll see UFOs before an APS-H 7D...   

You crack me up 

[unfocused]

On message boards it is so easy to do this Brian.  They cannot "see" you therefore they retort whatever insults they care to because there is no personal connection or consequence.

Actually, there are several moderators who try to monitor posts, and remove those which insult users.  Rather than reply and start a flame war, its better just to report a inappropriate post.  The forum is able to keep track of warnings and that can lead to a ban, but thats not a common situation.

We try to discourage flaming others, so posters should read their posts carefully before posting.  To make things even more complex, we have different cultures represented with different perceptions and some of them may think that posts that are allowed elsewhere are acceptable here. 

There are some general rules in the site information area that we try to enforce.

Thanks for being such a good group, and be civil

And my posts were deleted because?

I was civil, reasoned and polite. I said nothing unkind about anyone, but simply disagreed with an oft-repeated (ad nauseam) perspective. I did not even reference belief in UFOs.

Apparently I expressed an opinion that someone didn't like.  I mourn the loss of Karma and detest this mindless censorship. (Plus much of this thread no longer makes any sense!)

[iaind]

We'll see UFOs before an APS-H 7D...   

Also Bigfoot, Yeti and the Loch Ness Monster

[jueming23]

If 7D II is not FF,How to update？

[Quasimodo]

I answered the APS-C, and like Neuro said, they would probably change the name of it if it differed. I would love to see a 1.9 crop sensor which has brilliant AF and IQ, with a hell of a range

[iaind]

If 7D II is not FF,How to update？

Full frame upgrades already exist.  Both 5D and 1D series bodies

[wickidwombat]

We'll see UFOs before an APS-H 7D...   

Also Bigfoot, Yeti and the Loch Ness Monster

yeah they all have the test copies...

[pwp]

If 7D II is not FF, how to update？

61 point AF, greatly improved high ISO performance, 10 FPS, Digic 5+  & UFO detector for starters.
Video users will add to this list.

PW

[unfocused]

We will see if my mostly innocuous comments get deleted again!

7DII will be essentially identical to the 5DIII in features and build, except it will have an APS-C sensor. Many will whine and declare that Canon is "ripping us off" because the 5DIII is almost twice as expensive and it's "not fair" that a full frame sensor should cost so much more. Canon will sell millions.

70D will inherit most of the features of the 7D, but retain the 60D build quality. Many will whine because they remain unable to let go of the 40D. Canon will sell millions.

If a full frame entry level camera materializes, it will share build quality with the 60D and have autofocus and other features similar to the 5DII. Many will whine because it's not a 5DIII for half the price. Canon will sell millions.

Although the new APS-C sensor will outperform the last APS-H sensor Canon ever built, THOSE WHO CANNOT BE NAMED will continue to write endless posts about how an APS-H sensor would be so much better and will continue to hold on to the fantasy that APS-H will be resurrected from the dead and walk the earth again. Canon will sell millions (just not APS-H).

[lonebear]

We'll see UFOs before an APS-H 7D...   

Also Bigfoot, Yeti and the Loch Ness Monster

yeah they all have the test copies...

How about to name the illusional APS-H copy as 7D Yeti? A name not really bad.

[wickidwombat]

meh I freely admit to being an APS-H fanboy and take no exception to the term being used to describe me
I would also go so far as to say that 99% of people that criticise APS-H dont own and have not used 1D bodies with said sensor design and are as such basing their opinions of spec sheets rather than real world experience

other points pretty valid too however thinking a 7DII in 5Dmk3 body is going to be close to under 2k is a bit of wishfull thinking

I also very much doubt the new APS-C sensor is going to go anywhere close to competing with the 1Dmk4 sensor the T4i is a fair indication that this will be the case.

In any case I hope you are correct and all the current 1Dmk4 owners see the error of their ways and buy the 7Dmk ii because they are better on paper and sell them dirt cheap so i can pick one up for a grand to replace my venerable 1Dmk3

I really wanted to like the 7D and came close to replacing my 1Dmk3 with one that was based on spec sheets until i compared them in the real world and decided that the lowly 10MP 1D3 still clearly outperformed the 7D in absolutely every respect from ISO 100 to ISO 3200. It was a pretty sad realisation because i was looking forward to not having the 1D bulk oh well back to dreaming of a gripless APS-H high end body

[unfocused]

We are all fanboys or fangirls here (although I suspect there are far more boys than girls, unfortunately). Some are just honest about it.

Don't misunderstand. I think the 1D IV is a fantastic camera, if a bit out of my price range. But, acknowledging a camera to be great is different from misreading the many signals from the manufacturer about the future of the format.

I may be overly optimistic about the pricing and/or features of a 7DII. But, there is some logic behind my optimism. In a nutshell, it must appeal to a market that is much more price sensitive than the 5DIII. Because the market is mature now, it must also attract current 7D owners like myself if it is to succeed. I base much of my speculation on what I believe it would take to convince me and other current 7D users to upgrade.

I commend Canon for targeting the 5DIII to a specific professional market (wedding and event photographers) and for doing sufficient market research to know that the $500 premium would be worth it to these professionals for the superior ISO and noise performance. (As an aside, the D800 seems either not particularly well-targeted, or is targeted toward a much smaller universe)

Yes, I do expect to see some improvement with the next generation of APS-C sensor. The T4i is not a new generation, but appears to rather be the same generation as existing APS-C sensors with continuous autofocus laid on top. To me, the more interesting speculation is whether the 70D will receive the same sensor as the 7DII or if it will also receive the T4i sensor.

Perhaps I am just ignorant, but I do always wonder when people proclaim the virtues of larger sensors, just what they are seeing that I am missing. I have made prints up to 18 x 27 and even with my nose inches away from the print there is no visible grain or noise. People complain about issues that I have never had a problem with (banding for example). I've read numerous posts from successful photographers who readily acknowledge that neither they nor their colleagues can identify differences between sensors in a final print.

I understand and respect the opinions of those who prefer the bokeh of a larger sensor. But, that is a question of style, not of quality.

Just what is it that is so troublesome for some photographers that they feel they cannot get a good product out of an APS-C sensor?