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3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« on: March 24, 2011, 12:48:50 PM »

More Cameras!

It’s been suggested Canon has 3 DSLRs to announce in 2011.


1Ds Mark IV, 5D Mark III and ????. We’ve been told previously that a new 1D would arrive before the year is out. There have also been some 7D Mark II rumblings around the web.


CR’s Take

I can get behind 2 new DSLRs in 2011, I don’t see 3 after all that’s gone on in Japan. Unless it’s a late 2011 announcement with a 2012 delivery.


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3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« on: March 24, 2011, 12:48:50 PM »

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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2011, 12:50:35 PM »
I really hope a new 7D comes along! been looking out for details for the past month or so! Good new all round fro everyone!

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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2011, 01:28:51 PM »
If they do release a new 1D, I hope its Full Frame.
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2011, 01:56:29 PM »
I'm still hoping for the 5D Mk3  :)
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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2011, 02:07:28 PM »
1Ds Mark IV, 5D Mark III are both really old. 7D is 2 years and could need an upgrade too, but there's also been talk (by Canon) about a really small model to compete with mirrorless models. That could be the new low end 1100D, but 1100D looks more like a low end model than a mirrorless competitor. Three new moedel sounds like wishful thinking though.

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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2011, 02:13:44 PM »
I hope Canon releases no camera bodies this year, so resources would go toward lenses.

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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2011, 02:39:55 PM »
I really really doubt it's the 7DII. I suppose that makes more sense than a 1DV since it's been out longer but honestly neither one of then need an update.

I guess if Canon wanted to maintain the advantage of the Nikon D400 that is coming they might release a new 7D model. I still don't see it happening.

Perhaps the fabled 3D again? I'm suprised CR Guy didn't mention it.
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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2011, 02:39:55 PM »

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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2011, 02:48:08 PM »
tzalmagor,

I'm exactly in the opposite camp, I desperately want to know what Canon plan to offer us in the next 1Ds. I'm less bothered about a release date than seeing the specifications ASAP. A release in 2012 would be fine as long as it's worth the wait.

I don't see it being anything other than a full framer, unless it's a "square full frame" AKA 36mm x 36mm. But if they do that I'd be very surprised, pleasantly surprised it has to be said, but surprised nontheless. Canon after all tend to be conservative, they are not risk takers by nature. 

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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2011, 02:51:29 PM »
Did someone forget that the 600D was released this year?

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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2011, 03:01:50 PM »
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"CR’s Take
I can get behind 2 new DSLRs in 2011, I don’t see 3 after all that’s gone on in Japan. Unless it’s a late 2011 announcement with a 2012 delivery.

Don't bite the CR yet folks :) , yeah I agree I don't see how any new dslr equipment could be rolling out, and what has occurred, it's a pretty touchy topic in due to what has happened, but everyone has it on their mind.

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below a quote that makes me feel - personal opinion guessing - from an online article that no new camera bodies will come out after this, it will be more a rebuilding of production on products that are in the market after things get low. really the 5d mkii is an awesome camera, even compared to the 60d 7d, with all the features it's really the Father figure.

"The company said Wednesday it will delay the launch of the Prius hybrid minivan in Japan due to disruptions in parts supplies." = from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110323/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake_economy
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so, if that's the case "I'm already seeing the on coming shortage of DSLR equipment online" and took the cr's advice "If you feel like been holding out for a better price" well nikon just up their prices a second fold (from nikonrumors.com ).
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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2011, 03:21:53 PM »
...unless it's a "square full frame" AKA 36mm x 36mm...

A mirror that can cover a 36mm sensor would need to be at least 50.91mm tall.  The film plane to flange distance on the EF mount is only 44mm.  You would have to go mirror-less to do a FF square sensor.

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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2011, 03:35:02 PM »
The 7D Mk2 will be two years old in the autumn, so a replacement is a possibilty if it keeps to the old XXD release schedule.  If this is the case, then I'm sure that Canon will already have it well under development, so while the earthquake/tsunami may delay production lines and tooling up, I don't think that they'd pull an anouncement completely.   More likely they would announce in early autumn with delayed shipping until the end of the year (I'm sure they'd want to get some stock on the shelves for Christmas).  The question is more, is the 7D on the old XXD release schedule, or does Canon consider it a "professional" model on a 3 year cycle? So, if this is the case (and this rumour is true), what else could a third DSLR be?

Allow me to indulge in some speculation (hey, this is a rumours site!):

I doubt we'll see a new Rebel, as both the 550D and 1000D have been updated this year.  I guess that something completely new, such as a smaller model to compete (I hate that term) with mirrorless cameras, is a possiblity; where it would be positioned, spec wise is anyone's guess.  The other option might be a "pellicle" mirror type camera with an EVF, which Canon must have numerous patents for. 

If the new 1D line model is to be a 1Ds Mk4 (i.e. if the rumors of a merging of the 1D and 1Ds lines are false), then a third DSLR release could be a 1D Mk4N; Canon have done a mid-life update like this before with the 1D Mk2N.  This might share a lower resolution sensor with the 5D Mk3, but have a faster continuous shooting rate etc.  I'm suspecting that Canon might offer something like this, as they seem to have gone to great lengths to lighten the weight of the 400mm F/2.8L; just the lens that a sports shooter moving from an APS-H sensor 1D +300mm f/2.8L to FF would need to maintain the same angle of view. 

Of course, this is probably all rubbish and we'll see 'just' a 40MP+ 1Ds Mk4 and a 28-32 MP 5D Mk 3 this year (if we're lucky).

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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2011, 03:37:43 PM »
I would argue that Canon essentially MUST release a 7D II this year, and that the 7D will remain on a 2 year or faster product life cycle, tied rigorously to Canon's most current APS-C sensor.  The FF and APS-H cameras are on more of a 3-year cycle and can remain that way as the rate of product development for those sensor sizes isn't as rapid.

Essentially, the 7D must at any time integrate the best APS-C sensor Canon makes and pair that with enough processing power and a fast enough shutter to make sure that the sensor itself is the limiting factor in performance.

Traditionally, Canon's APS-C sensors have been on an 18 month cycle, but clearly this cycle has been extended because Canon's sensors have been surpassed by the most recent Sony sensors found in the Nikon D7000, Sony a580 / a55 / a33, and the Pentax K5.

If Canon's APS-C sensor lifecycle returns to an 18 month cycle, then the 7D will necessarily go with it to 18 months.  However, as the incremental gains of each cycle are decreasing, I think that Canon made a strategic decision to open up the APS-C sensor cycle to 24 (or maybe 30) months and then create more different products based on that common sensor.

I think as well that the 7D gives Canon a great operational opportunity - they can start profiting from a new sensor before the yeilds from the semiconductor fabs are high enough to support a 70D.  Then, as the yields increase, Canon can then release the 70D and after that the next Rebel on its normal annual cycle (pushed back a little if the yields aren't quite where they need to be in February.)

I certainly am hoping that the wait for the next sensor is worth it, otherwise those new Sony sensors (in their various forms) are starting to look quite interesting despite Canon's superior glass selection.

As for the earthquake, it is a good thing for Japan if they can start getting real products out the door again soon. If Canon can get an impressive new sensor into the market, then they will induce a substantial replacement cycle.

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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2011, 03:37:43 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2011, 04:09:14 PM »
If I may, there have been a few questions on whether the 7D is "professional" or not or on the professional cycle or not.  I would argue it's on the 3+ year cycle and here's why...

On the CPS website and qualifications, they have 3 levels of membership.  The first 2 requires that you have at least 2 semipro cameras which is anything 20D and newer.  The 3rd level of membership requires at least 2 pro grade cameras which is 7D above (5D, 1D and 1Ds).  Considering they put the 7D in that grouping, it would hint that they see it as a pro style camera and on the 3 year cycle. 

That being said, I dont think the 7D MII would come out before the 70D in particular.  I think the 7D is such a hot seller at this point in time, the 60D is testing a few new features in this level of camera (selectable auto ISO, articulating screen, different ergonomics, etc..)  I think they'll take those changes perhaps 1 step further on the 70D to see how well they are taken to the public and how they can add that to the 7D MII but in a professional body, and then perhaps as quick as 6 months after the 70D release a 7D mII that will kick the D400 to the curb.  Plus, speaking of nikon, most websites concur the 7D right now slightly edges over the D300s so really, what incentive does canon have to release a new model without seeing what Nikon has up their sleeves first? 

I would rather see a 5D MIII that can not only beat the D700 but even stand toe to toe with the D800 whenever that comes out. 
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2011, 04:12:34 PM »
bvukich,

You are assuming that a mirror is an essential piece of the puzzle. I think that any serious "square" format based on the 35mm model might well be designed without the mirror/pentaprism assembly.

The alternative, which would allow the mirror and pentaprism to stay would be to increase the standard back focus length. Of course this means specially designed lenses and I don't see that happening any time soon.

But as I've already said, I think the rumours suggesting a square format will remain just rumours. Especially as we now know that before the disaster in Japan Canon were investigating medium format companies to get a ready-made toehold in that market.

 

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Re: 3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]
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