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Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2012, 04:23:10 AM »
Well... I like the idea for APS-H in body without grip, I don't like big and heavy 1D series.
But I think it will be limited or pricey, in other case who would buy 1D X if there is 7D II with the same AF system and good APS-H sensor for 2k $.

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« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2012, 04:27:09 AM »
Well... I like the idea for APS-H in body without grip, I don't like big and heavy 1D series.
But I think it will be limited or pricey, in other case who would buy 1D X if there is 7D II with the same AF system and good APS-H sensor for 2k $.

Howabout a 24mps APS-H, 10fps 5DIII sized camera for $4k?

The 70D would be the $2k variant

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2012, 04:43:20 AM »
We kinda hope the 70D would have a new sensor - that 18M one is getting worn out now it's in so many current bodies.
If it does and the specs converg towards the 7D then that leaves less space for a 7Dmk2.
So my hope is for a 6D which is the low cost FF prosumer answer.
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« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2012, 04:50:26 AM »
I'm genuinely interested to find out how many APS-H critics actually owned or have regularly used a 1D body that has the sensor  ::)

ultra wide angle problem?
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=997698

13*1.3 = 16.9

takes 77mm filters and works on current existing APS-H bodies

by all accounts its a pretty kick arse lens too


Does it come with the name "Canon" on it? No.

Why don't you put a Canon 10-20 EF-S lens on a 1D APS-H camera and let me know how you go?

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2012, 04:58:33 AM »
Well... I like the idea for APS-H in body without grip, I don't like big and heavy 1D series.
But I think it will be limited or pricey, in other case who would buy 1D X if there is 7D II with the same AF system and good APS-H sensor for 2k $.

Howabout a 24mps APS-H, 10fps 5DIII sized camera for $4k?

The 70D would be the $2k variant

4k $ - No, Thanks I'm amateur and this is pricey for me.
If I liked 1D series I would rather buy some second hand 1d for less.

And if 70D is 2k $ I would stay with my 60D for a while.

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« Reply #50 on: June 29, 2012, 05:01:53 AM »
What kills APS-H for me is that there are no wide angle lenses for it that aren't curved surface front elements. (Wide angle would require either the 8-15 fish eye or something like the rumored 14-24.)

The 16-35 becomes a 21-45 (for example).

For APS-C, there are lenses like the 10-20.

The APS-H sensor/cameras are designed especially for wildlife/sports. A very small number of wildlife/sports photographers want/need a ultra wide lens on APS-H.

Doesn't Canon want all of those people buying the 1DX instead?

Seriously, the 1DX with its new autofocus sounds like the ultimate camera for sports and wildlife. Well, that is currently available.

It's not like a 7D successor is going to get the autofocus capability of the 1DX and it is the autofocus ability of a camera that makes or breaks it with respect to sports and to a lesser extent wildlife.

The only reason I could see Canon getting serious about a successor to the 7D is if Nikon bring out a D400 that beats whatever the 70D has to offer in a way that requires a new camera from Canon.

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Who knows maybe we will see a ultra wide EF affordable lens with the 7D2 announcement.

You mean like the already rumored 14-24? As I said above, that has a curved front element and is not suitable for use with filters.

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To be honest how many of us will need a wider lens than 16-35/17-40 on a sports/wildlife designed camera???

And everyone that buys this camera is only going to use it for that purpose, right?

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If the rumor is true 7D2 will be a market killer and no need for a entry lvl FF body.

Except for all of those people that own a 5D Mark II and see no point in the 5D Mark III (for whatever reason) and have no wish to ever use a crop camera again.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2012, 05:20:39 AM »

It's not like a 7D successor is going to get the autofocus capability of the 1DX and it is the autofocus ability of a camera that makes or breaks it with respect to sports and to a lesser extent wildlife.



A straight lift od the 1D4 AF would be big improvement on the existing 7D AF - but (maybe) not as good as the 1DX AF


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Who knows maybe we will see a ultra wide EF affordable lens with the 7D2 announcement.

You mean like the already rumored 14-24? As I said above, that has a curved front element and is not suitable for use with filters.

I believe Lee/Cokins will work OK? (but not on the 8-15)

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« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2012, 05:31:45 AM »

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Doesn't Canon want all of those people buying the 1DX instead?


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Don't forget the price tag of 7D more than half comperring with 1DX . Don't mention the IQ of 1Dx, much better than any APS-H sensor Canon my put in 7D2

Well... I like the idea for APS-H in body without grip, I don't like big and heavy 1D series.
But I think it will be limited or pricey, in other case who would buy 1D X if there is 7D II with the same AF system and good APS-H sensor for 2k $.

Howabout a 24mps APS-H, 10fps 5DIII sized camera for $4k?

The 70D would be the $2k variant

I believe the 7D2 will be 22mp with 45 AF points from 1D4. and the price tag around $2500
« Last Edit: June 29, 2012, 05:34:22 AM by nicku »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2012, 05:35:29 AM »

It's not like a 7D successor is going to get the autofocus capability of the 1DX and it is the autofocus ability of a camera that makes or breaks it with respect to sports and to a lesser extent wildlife.



A straight lift od the 1D4 AF would be big improvement on the existing 7D AF - but (maybe) not as good as the 1DX AF


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Who knows maybe we will see a ultra wide EF affordable lens with the 7D2 announcement.

You mean like the already rumored 14-24? As I said above, that has a curved front element and is not suitable for use with filters.

I believe Lee/Cokins will work OK? (but not on the 8-15)

Agree on the 1DmkIV AF part. It would be at almost no additional cost to R&D development.

As for the Lee/Cokins, they only work with the X-Pro series. I used them for the Sigma 12-24, with a custom made adapter for my 5DmkII.  You need a filter circle of about 127mm to clear the 12mm on a FF.  Since the 8-15 has similar FOV, it should be similar too.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2012, 05:42:17 AM »
As for the Lee/Cokins, they only work with the X-Pro series. I used them for the Sigma 12-24, with a custom made adapter for my 5DmkII.  You need a filter circle of about 127mm to clear the 12mm on a FF.  Since the 8-15 has similar FOV, it should be similar too.

The 8-15 has no way to mount the filters. Also a 8mm I suspect light leakage woud be a problem. On a tripod the tripod legs are a problem @ 8mm

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« Reply #55 on: June 29, 2012, 06:46:45 AM »
I believe Lee/Cokins will work OK? (but not on the 8-15)

Cokin filters require a screw in ring to mount the filter holder and do not work with lenses that have a curved surface the same as screw in circular polarisers don't work.

Lee may work.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2012, 06:51:13 AM by dilbert »

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« Reply #56 on: June 29, 2012, 07:19:32 AM »
Looks like you guys haven't played around wide angles enough ...

For the Sigma 8-16, this is what you need as an adapter to use square filters:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/14101-REG/Cokin_CP499_P_Series_Universal_Adapter.html



For larger lenses like the Nikon 14-24mm, there is this :

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/693472-REG/LEE_Filters_KIT_SW150_SW150_Filter_Holder_Kit.html


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« Reply #57 on: June 29, 2012, 07:21:09 AM »
I believe Lee/Cokins will work OK? (but not on the 8-15)

Cokin filters require a screw in ring to mount the filter holder and do not work with lenses that have a curved surface the same as screw in circular polarisers don't work.

Lee may work.

PL is the one filter I dont use except for the screw on/drop in types. Filter holders come in all shapes and sizes.

I was referring to the filters not the holders - X pro cokins or  100x150 Lees

The 8-15 is so domed that the flat filter isn't big enough to stop reversed vignetting (ie more light from the side)

It is my experience that the PL on uwa dont work properly anyway (from ff with 17-40)
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« Reply #58 on: June 29, 2012, 07:46:22 AM »
Thats why you need something like the LEE filter kit that has side covers.

My Sigma 12-24 needed a custom solution for the light leakage. And basically sorted out, it has no light leakage.
Mine's with a friend on vacation now, so can't really snap a shot of it to illustrate what I mean. 

But .. you can get away with it with a little gaffer tape at the sides of the filter clips if you use the generic Cokin adapters.


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Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« Reply #59 on: June 29, 2012, 08:09:27 AM »
Thats why you need something like the LEE filter kit that has side covers.

My Sigma 12-24 needed a custom solution for the light leakage. And basically sorted out, it has no light leakage.
Mine's with a friend on vacation now, so can't really snap a shot of it to illustrate what I mean. 

But .. you can get away with it with a little gaffer tape at the sides of the filter clips if you use the generic Cokin adapters.

The 8-15 would be blinkered by the mount

Even the shallow hood gets into the picture

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« Reply #59 on: June 29, 2012, 08:09:27 AM »