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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2012, 02:42:37 PM »
True. But, except for body size, my proposal also solves each and every one of the problems mirrorless cameras have, and it solves them in spades.
Right, but size is one of, if not THE, main reason to go mirror less. An NEX and a 17mm pancake weight like 1/3 of your combo, and are < 1/2 the size. If you're lugging that long distances, or have limited space, it becomes a big deal.

It's like someone asking for recommendations for a wide-angle lens and you telling them to get the 85mm f/1.2. Sure, it's a beautiful lens, but, it doesn't meet the needs in any way.

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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2012, 02:47:47 PM »
All that sounds like "me too" in a crowded place. Why would anyone buy a Canon version of the same?
Mediocre high ISO, less DR than competition.

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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2012, 02:55:34 PM »
less DR than competition.


DR again...what exactly is that, anyway? 
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2012, 02:59:20 PM »
Looks like canon are about to disappoint, I just don’t see the point unless it’s a poor man’s M9 that to me was Canon’s opportunity. 550D and a 40 pancake sounds like a better proposition and if you can’t carry that up a hill you shouldn’t be going up hills!  :P ;D

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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2012, 03:06:05 PM »
True. But, except for body size, my proposal also solves each and every one of the problems mirrorless cameras have, and it solves them in spades.
Right, but size is one of, if not THE, main reason to go mirror less. An NEX and a 17mm pancake weight like 1/3 of your combo, and are < 1/2 the size. If you're lugging that long distances, or have limited space, it becomes a big deal.

It's like someone asking for recommendations for a wide-angle lens and you telling them to get the 85mm f/1.2. Sure, it's a beautiful lens, but, it doesn't meet the needs in any way.

My point is that there are always compromises. If you want a small and cheap camera, you're not going to get one that's going to perform as well in low light as a 5DIII, you're not going to get a viewfinder like the one in the 5DIII, you're not going to be able to get as shallow a depth of field as with a 5DIII, you're not going to get an autofocus system like the 5DIII has, you're not going to be able to mount and use lenses to their full potential the same way a 5DIII can, you're not going to have flash options like you have on a 5DIII, you're not going to be able to use manual focus as gracefully as you can on a 5DIII, and on and on and on and on.

Yet, those are the exact complaints i keep hearing over and over and over again about mirrorless in general and Canon's hypothetical mirrorless option in particular.

So, at some point, you're going to have to suck it up. Either put up with a camera that doesn't come close to a 5DIII, or stick the Shorty McForty on the 5DIII and deal with a few extra ounces of weight and a few extra cubic inches of space. And, really, unless you're on an Everest expedition or a Shuttle launch, that extra weight and size is nothing more than an inconvenience. Or, admit that convenience is more important than photography and take snapshots with the toy camera and stop worrying that it's not as good as what you could have gotten with a real camera.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, after all.

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« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2012, 03:29:22 PM »
Isn't this just the first of the 3 mirrorless cameras from Canon? This is supposed to be the cheapest one, so I don't want to get my hopes up in terms of sensor size.
I hope the lenses are going to be good though.

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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2012, 04:49:25 PM »
Two slow 'kit' lenses (let's hope that thet are at least collapsible)? Does anyone else get the impression that Canon is hoping to target their first release at compact camera upgraders rather than enthusiasts? Don't expect a body with an EVF and lots of physical controls, this one is likely to be for Powershot upgraders.   

This is fine, but if they want the enthusiast market, they need to launch a second higher spec body and they'll need at least two (native mount) prime lenses to go with it (preferably three).  How about doing a Fuji three lens prime lineup with (based upon G1X size sensor):

13mm f/2
27mm f/1.4
48mm f/2.4

That would be tempting -for starters!  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2012, 04:55:56 PM »
This just smells like something for the mass consumer electronics market.

In that market Canon isn't late to the party. At my local Best Buy (in between Calumet, Adorama & B&H), there are no micro-4/3 cameras and barely even a Sony Nex presence. The Nikon-1 system has it's own freestanding display (just a big picture of Ashton Kutcher and a few pink plastic dummy cameras between the DLSRs & the point-and-shoots...go figure!

If Canon makes a reasonably affordable system camera that is smaller and cheaper that a DSLR, I'm sure they will have a hit. But it will need to have a "Send to Facebook" button!

I'll pass.
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2012, 05:31:54 PM »
But it will need to have a "Send to Facebook" button!

If Canon did that, even Thom Hogan would have to kiss their a$$, he's been banging that drum for a while now...  ;D

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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2012, 05:59:54 PM »
This just smells like something for the mass consumer electronics market.

You're almost certainly right, and that's why I'm getting a kick out of all the people here whining in anticipation of why it's not going to be as good as a 5DIII. That's not the point of the camera, and they're not the intended audience.

Personally, I don't see that the intended market is all that big, but Canon has better marketing research tools at their disposal than I do.

But you can pretty much guarantee that it's going to slot between the top-of-the-line point-and-shoots and the entry-level Rebels. It may well cannibalize both. But it's never going to compete with the xxD and above SLRs; nor will it compete with the ELPH or A-series PowerShots.

The problem that Canon will face is that most of the Rebel buyers are (intentionally or otherwise) buying into the EF system, and a lot of the PowerShot users don't want the hassle of switching lenses....

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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2012, 06:10:12 PM »
If it is, it looks like one won't be able to mount Leica M compatible lenses on those camera...

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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2012, 06:14:09 PM »

...or, you could mount a Shorty McForty to a 5DIII and get a rich man's chunky X2....

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Isn't Shorty McForty the name of a porn actor ???

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2012, 06:30:18 PM »
At my local Best Buy (in between Calumet, Adorama & B&H), ... and barely even a Sony Nex presence.

I'll pass.

The lack of Sony cameras at Camera Stores is the result of all the Sony Style stores. No-one wants to compete with a factory store :(

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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2012, 06:31:55 PM »
less DR than competition.


DR again...what exactly is that, anyway?

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« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2012, 06:59:45 PM »
This just smells like something for the mass consumer electronics market.

You're almost certainly right, and that's why I'm getting a kick out of all the people here whining in anticipation of why it's not going to be as good as a 5DIII. That's not the point of the camera, and they're not the intended audience.

Personally, I don't see that the intended market is all that big, but Canon has better marketing research tools at their disposal than I do.

But you can pretty much guarantee that it's going to slot between the top-of-the-line point-and-shoots and the entry-level Rebels. It may well cannibalize both. But it's never going to compete with the xxD and above SLRs; nor will it compete with the ELPH or A-series PowerShots.

The problem that Canon will face is that most of the Rebel buyers are (intentionally or otherwise) buying into the EF system, and a lot of the PowerShot users don't want the hassle of switching lenses....

Cheers,

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Without a crystal ball, or insider information, you've probably guessed about as close as is possible.

I also expect a G1X sensor, maybe based more on the tech of the 650D with integrated PDAF.

What I do see as an interesting twist is the suggestion that Canon will be launching small EF primes, with the intention of using them with an adapter on the mirrorless body.  That way, Canon gets mirrorless buyers to be more likely to invest in the EF system, creating an upgrade path to an EOS body - much the same way that if I were to move exclusively to full frame, I would lose the use of one lens, since I have only ever bought one EF-S lens.  I would almost say it would make sense for Canon to entirely drop the EOS 1x00D series, and replace it with a mirrorless body.

My issue is that I would like the ability to change lenses on my G series.  I would like a camera that produces reasonable image quality, but doesn't need to be able to see in the dark, and that is small enough to pack into a notebook bag.  I couldn't care for fast AF tracking.  What is important for me is a socket for a cable release and a hotshoe for occasional flash use with my existing Speedlites or wireless triggers.
The G1X already fixes for me the issue of sensor size, but it doesn't fix the issue of not having a wide enough aperture to take portraits, or to use for street photography.  Slightly better shutter lag would be a bonus.

A mirrorless system with a general purpose zoom and a couple of primes would work for me as a camera that I can carry in my bag every day, and even take along when cycling.  - I would like something better than a G series that is easy to accommodate in a backpack when bushwalking or cycling, and light enough to mount on a gorillapod.

For my tastes, the G1X sensor format will give good-enough IQ in a package that is just small enough.  It is going to be about compromise.
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