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Re: Canon EOS 60D Pictures?
« Reply #105 on: August 14, 2010, 08:28:10 AM »
Dilbert - touche.  Look, you obviously won't be proven wrong w/ your logic so that is fine. I was just giving examples from my own experience. Aparently they weren't valid enough, so that is fine.  From your example, I am actually now feeling a lot better about the plastic, so thanks for sharing your experience.  You are right, I don't know how far the plastic rebel was dropped but I do know that the 1Ds was slammed down. You are right, plastic could have survived, but we each go with our personal experience.  I'm not trying to argue with you, just trying to provide helpful examples for others.  No need to be so aggressive with your responses to people.  I fail to understand why you seem to almost take it personally when someone says that they would prefer metal and then give reasonable reasons for backing that up.  If you don't like the metal bodies, and if they are not as good as plastic, don't buy them.   Anyhow, thanks again for the conversation and thanks for letting us know you've dropped your plastic body multiple times (and I really do mean thanks, not trying to make a snarky comment)...that truly does add to the conversation.

I suspect that the design of the 60D will be more like the 550D - stainless steel box with lots of plastic around it. That box is probably there so that the lens mount remains metal. As the surface that actually bears the weight of the lens when the lens is attached and as a surface that is subject to frequent friction (putting the lens on and off), it's important for that to be metal and not plastic.

Note that the 7D ($1550) is now, in terms of price, closer to that of the 20D ($1499) when it was introduced than we expect the 60D ($1099-$1199) will be. Whilst we all expect that everything will get cheaper as times goes by, I suspect that there's a line in there somewhere about where it becomes unprofitable to make a metal body camera. Given the decline in price of all new cameras over time, in 18 months after the debut of the 60D, it should be selling at under $1000 and still for a profit. So we should keep that price point in mind, not the initial MSRP.

I suppose the thrust of this is that if you're looking for a metal body/mount from Canon in a DSLR then it would seem that there will be a minimum price tag associated with that.

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« Reply #105 on: August 14, 2010, 08:28:10 AM »

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« Reply #106 on: August 14, 2010, 11:02:53 AM »
Dilbert - touche.  Look, you obviously won't be proven wrong w/ your logic so that is fine. I was just giving examples from my own experience. Aparently they weren't valid enough, so that is fine.  From your example, I am actually now feeling a lot better about the plastic, so thanks for sharing your experience.  You are right, I don't know how far the plastic rebel was dropped but I do know that the 1Ds was slammed down. You are right, plastic could have survived, but we each go with our personal experience.  I'm not trying to argue with you, just trying to provide helpful examples for others.  No need to be so aggressive with your responses to people.  I fail to understand why you seem to almost take it personally when someone says that they would prefer metal and then give reasonable reasons for backing that up.  If you don't like the metal bodies, and if they are not as good as plastic, don't buy them.   Anyhow, thanks again for the conversation and thanks for letting us know you've dropped your plastic body multiple times (and I really do mean thanks, not trying to make a snarky comment)...that truly does add to the conversation.

wow .. how'd pros handle the EOS-1, 1RS, 1N and 3 then?

none of them had a mag alloy chassis... it wasn't until the EOS-1v that canon implemented magnesium alloy as a chassis structure.

Now if we go by that - there's alot of materials that canon MAY use to insure a rigid structure - pro cameras on the EF mount have done it before.

I have yet to see anyone complain about the build quality of the EOS-1 or EOS-3 bodies.


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« Reply #107 on: August 14, 2010, 05:08:55 PM »
The best aspect of the 60D will likely be the plastic, not because it's plastic but because photographers wanted Canon to make a lighter unit with a prism vf.   The tilt lcd...well, some wanted it, others not.  Now we have to see if the af has been upgraded..to make the package complete and compete well with the D95.

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« Reply #108 on: August 14, 2010, 06:56:55 PM »
Dilbert - touche.  Look, you obviously won't be proven wrong w/ your logic so that is fine. I was just giving examples from my own experience. Aparently they weren't valid enough, so that is fine.  From your example, I am actually now feeling a lot better about the plastic, so thanks for sharing your experience.  You are right, I don't know how far the plastic rebel was dropped but I do know that the 1Ds was slammed down. You are right, plastic could have survived, but we each go with our personal experience.  I'm not trying to argue with you, just trying to provide helpful examples for others.  No need to be so aggressive with your responses to people.  I fail to understand why you seem to almost take it personally when someone says that they would prefer metal and then give reasonable reasons for backing that up.  If you don't like the metal bodies, and if they are not as good as plastic, don't buy them.   Anyhow, thanks again for the conversation and thanks for letting us know you've dropped your plastic body multiple times (and I really do mean thanks, not trying to make a snarky comment)...that truly does add to the conversation.

I suspect that the design of the 60D will be more like the 550D - stainless steel box with lots of plastic around it. That box is probably there so that the lens mount remains metal. As the surface that actually bears the weight of the lens when the lens is attached and as a surface that is subject to frequent friction (putting the lens on and off), it's important for that to be metal and not plastic.

Note that the 7D ($1550) is now, in terms of price, closer to that of the 20D ($1499) when it was introduced than we expect the 60D ($1099-$1199) will be. Whilst we all expect that everything will get cheaper as times goes by, I suspect that there's a line in there somewhere about where it becomes unprofitable to make a metal body camera. Given the decline in price of all new cameras over time, in 18 months after the debut of the 60D, it should be selling at under $1000 and still for a profit. So we should keep that price point in mind, not the initial MSRP.

I suppose the thrust of this is that if you're looking for a metal body/mount from Canon in a DSLR then it would seem that there will be a minimum price tag associated with that.
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Really good points...I hadn't thought about the fact that it will still have the metal inner frame.  I also I think had forgotten how much the price has dropped on these.  It's a good point w/ the 20D...we used to pay a lot more for these cameras a while ago.  I remember how much the 20Ds were when they came out, and you're right, the 60D is at a much lower price point (and that isn't even figuring for any inflation!).  It will probably be quite a steal (in terms of price and features).  Probably true that we can't expect the price to drop, features to go up, and the body to stay metal...I think it has been kind of gradual and so in my mind I have come to expect that, but it probably isn't realistic for me to do that.

I can't remember if it was earlier in this thread, or in another, but I had mentioned something about how the 7D seems to be the continuation of the XXD and the new XXD seems to be a new category...not sure if I was entirely correct on that, but we have basically gained a new camera line, and this seems to be Canon trying to draw a balance between each line so there is something for everyone at all price points.  When I step back and look at it, I actually have to applaud them for that.  I really think it is good that there is a sub $1k, lower $1k, mid/upper $1k, Mid $2k camera.  It does give us a lot of nice choices, and puts great tech into almost anyone's hands.

You know, if this 60D is pulled off well, I wonder if they would consider doing a similar thing w/ FF cameras...Move one into the lower $2k range and then take one into the upper $2k/lower $3k range.  Whether that means the 5D moves down and our mythical 3D becomes the more expensive one, or if the 5D goes up a bit more and they come out w/ a different model below it.  Tell you what, if that is a good, durable plastic (like you have mentioned dilbert, and like you said about the old 1 series film cameras, rrcphoto), then I would be really interested in a $2k FF plastic bodied camera with maybe a few less features.  Now this is totally me dreaming here, but I think that would be amazing...FF for $2k.  Ahhh, to dream  ::)

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« Reply #109 on: August 17, 2010, 05:08:35 PM »
playing devils advocate here: some of you may remember the 350d that fell from a skydivers helmet and survived the drop

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/845602

Nice story but you gotta keep in mind that falling objects never reach a greater speed than about 200km/h. No matter how long or from how high they fall, it doesn't make a difference it it fell from 100m or 10km.

Though it's impressive that is survived a fall at this speed.

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« Reply #110 on: August 18, 2010, 03:25:36 PM »
playing devils advocate here: some of you may remember the 350d that fell from a skydivers helmet and survived the drop

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/845602

Nice story but you gotta keep in mind that falling objects never reach a greater speed than about 200km/h. No matter how long or from how high they fall, it doesn't make a difference it it fell from 100m or 10km.

Though it's impressive that is survived a fall at this speed.
Well, I think it's quite impressive that a 350D survives a crash with a speed of 200 km/h. I don't care if it fell from 100m or 10km.

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« Reply #111 on: August 20, 2010, 12:18:57 PM »
playing devils advocate here: some of you may remember the 350d that fell from a skydivers helmet and survived the drop

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/845602

Nice story but you gotta keep in mind that falling objects never reach a greater speed than about 200km/h. No matter how long or from how high they fall, it doesn't make a difference it it fell from 100m or 10km.

Though it's impressive that is survived a fall at this speed.
Well, I think it's quite impressive that a 350D survives a crash with a speed of 200 km/h. I don't care if it fell from 100m or 10km.
exactly. the fact that it survived a drop of even more than 10 meters high is pretty nice.

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« Reply #111 on: August 20, 2010, 12:18:57 PM »

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« Reply #112 on: August 23, 2010, 12:15:24 AM »
Actually I don't really like te design at all. In fact I hate it, it looks like a toy. Look at those huge gaps between the parts, wtf?
And these round shapes, man I don't like it at all. It looks like just temporarily put together. No smooth lines, just some plastic piece sticked together to shape a DSLR.
Look at the back, why the hell does the screen have to stick out? Seriously? That's just plain ugly. And the curved shape around the cornered screen, wtf? Who designed that camera, did that guy have any clue of design at all? Why doesn't the camera have a smooth back like the 7D has?

Am I the only one who finds it ugly as hell?
I din't think I would ever find e camera ugly, but this one sure is. Glad I waited for it for 2 years now :/

Yea of course, who cares about the design, it's about the photos it shoots, but still, I'd like to have a nice camera too.....

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« Reply #113 on: August 23, 2010, 03:50:55 AM »
Am I the only one who finds it ugly as hell?
I don't know. I prefer to wait until I've seen the camera in reality. For me it's the technology that counts. If it's very well usable I don't care if it's ugly or not.

Yea of course, who cares about the design, it's about the photos it shoots, but still, I'd like to have a nice camera too.....
You care. ;) Unfortunately, Apple didn't come out with a DSLR so far...
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« Reply #114 on: August 23, 2010, 05:32:04 AM »
Yea of course, who cares about the design, it's about the photos it shoots, but still, I'd like to have a nice camera too.....
You care. ;) Unfortunately, Apple didn't come out with a DSLR so far...

Not "unfortunately" but "luckily".
I for one definitely don't want to have a D-SLR that is glossy white, can only be operated by touchscreen, only allows the user to take pictures of what Steve Jobs likes and delivers image files that can only be read by Apple software...  ::)


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« Reply #115 on: August 23, 2010, 12:33:44 PM »
Yea of course, who cares about the design, it's about the photos it shoots, but still, I'd like to have a nice camera too.....
You care. ;) Unfortunately, Apple didn't come out with a DSLR so far...

Not "unfortunately" but "luckily".
I for one definitely don't want to have a D-SLR that is glossy white, can only be operated by touchscreen, only allows the user to take pictures of what Steve Jobs likes and delivers image files that can only be read by Apple software...  ::)


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You forgot the engraved and illuminated apple in the lens. ;)

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« Reply #116 on: November 03, 2010, 05:26:17 AM »
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« Reply #117 on: November 10, 2010, 05:03:08 PM »
Actually I don't really like te design at all. In fact I hate it, it looks like a toy. Look at those huge gaps between the parts, wtf?
And these round shapes, man I don't like it at all. It looks like just temporarily put together. No smooth lines, just some plastic piece sticked together to shape a DSLR.
Look at the back, why the hell does the screen have to stick out? Seriously? That's just plain ugly. And the curved shape around the cornered screen, wtf? Who designed that camera, did that guy have any clue of design at all? Why doesn't the camera have a smooth back like the 7D has?

Am I the only one who finds it ugly as hell?
I din't think I would ever find e camera ugly, but this one sure is. Glad I waited for it for 2 years now :/

Yea of course, who cares about the design, it's about the photos it shoots, but still, I'd like to have a nice camera too.....

honestly, I think it's better looking than the 50D it's replacing.  I can see the slight bowing-effect on the profile lines not to everyone's taste, but the 50D was pretty rigidly blocky and the 60D shares a lot of family resemblance with the 7D and 550D, neither of which I'd consider ugly.  have you seen what nikons and sonys look like?

I see what you mean about the awkward hinge joint for the LCD screen ... probably a compromise between the fluid lines and ensuring the hinge was strong enough.  designing something that has not only aesthetic but technical requirements is pretty challenging due the the extremely varied set of demands that are layered upon each other.

as much as people like to point to apple as a paragon of technical and aesthetic integration, apple screws it up too sometimes ... don't tell me none of you encountered the grounded-antennae problem on the iPhone 4.  it's not as easy as it looks, and the fact that people think it's easy at all is a testament to the skills of the people in product design

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« Reply #117 on: November 10, 2010, 05:03:08 PM »

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« Reply #118 on: November 11, 2010, 11:30:12 AM »
dpreview now has its in depth 60D review online

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