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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2012, 08:00:01 AM »
Love this site and the various topics that seem to get people hot under the collar. But am amazed at the rather low level of knowledge out there on the subject of photography and the poor quality of work being showcased in these forums. Is it just me or do others agree?

Hello Aldo,

I'm into amateur photography for 11 years now.
2.5 years in stock photography, won some photo contest, joined some photo-oriented sites, exchanging my humble knowledge,  but let me tell you... I didn't even "scratch" photography with level of my "knowledge" in this profound art.
And after 11 years of using Sony cameras, I'm about to make a "light speed jump" to Canon.
And when I do that... learning will start for me at completely new level.
Maybe after 30-40 years I will be good enough to call myself a photographer.
Check my portfolio on Dreamstime if you have a little time.  ;)
When I buy my new "beauty" I'll feel free to share some photography with all of you people.

http://www.dreamstime.com/Archangel72_info


Best regards  ;)

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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2012, 08:00:01 AM »

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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2012, 09:42:02 AM »
OP - can you expand on what you deem to be poor photography?

Reason I ask is that a lot of my images seem to divide viewers reactions quite a bit. Some people (including fellow photographers) have given me praise, published my images and even given me a photographer of the year award. Others, again including fellow photographers, call my work tacky, over-processed and 'not real photography'.

As said before, photography or art in general is highly subjective. I've always been happy to accept that some will love my work, others think it's a lot of shite.
Would love to hear how you quantify an image as being of 'high quality'??

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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2012, 10:59:11 AM »
Love this site and the various topics that seem to get people hot under the collar. But am amazed at the rather low level of knowledge out there on the subject of photography and the poor quality of work being showcased in these forums. Is it just me or do others agree?
The OP may be a fine fellow (with only 2 posts it's hard to tell), but let's face it- this post was a troll. He makes two rather subjective, condescending statements without supporting evidence and thereby infers his superior knowledge and skill?  ::)

This place is primarily a hobbyist forum, nobody expects an Encyclopedia Photographia and we’re all here for fun and entertainment with our widely varying abilities. I wouldn’t  ask anyone to provide a pedigree UNLESS they're criticizing others and claiming expertise. So- put your money where your mouth is, dude.
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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2012, 11:08:19 AM »
I'm guessing there are more pro and semi pro 'lurkers' here that actually come by for information. I skip most topics as of no interest. What I do like is presented technical info from users who have experience, and avoid the whining. Of interest to me lately are the arrival dates of the 1DX as I am waiting for one in Alberta. CPS etc but not on the olympic list ;-)  Bt the way picked, up the 40mm pancake yesterday and it is fun. Nice build, certainly more solid than the old cheap 50 1.8, and looks kind of funny on the 5D3 with grip!

;-)  Have a great day everyone and go shoot some pictures.

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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2012, 11:11:58 AM »
Love this site and the various topics that seem to get people hot under the collar. But am amazed at the rather low level of knowledge out there on the subject of photography and the poor quality of work being showcased in these forums. Is it just me or do others agree?
Show us some of your marvelous knowledge, and post some images.  Your first time post did not quite manage to convince.

I didn't think, the OP wanted to offend someone, I think he is just asking, if others see it the same way. Maybe it would have been helpful if he gave an example of what he thinks is poor quality.

Maybe we can agree when saying there's a great variety of image quality.

I would rate myself as a poor photographer, but know pretty well the difference between a good and a poor image. IMO there's no need to be a good Photographer to discuss others images.
If others ask you to discuss their images, thats fine.  To jump in and claim that the images are horrible is to imply that he is a expert and his images are superior??. 
If he is such a expert rather than acting like a 9 YO kid, (9 YO's can be experts too), he should post on some of the forums and answer newbies questions with the correct answers.  Thats the way you establish your expertise, by helping others with the right answers.

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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2012, 11:12:34 AM »
Love this site and the various topics that seem to get people hot under the collar. But am amazed at the rather low level of knowledge out there on the subject of photography and the poor quality of work being showcased in these forums. Is it just me or do others agree?
The OP may be a fine fellow (with only 2 posts it's hard to tell), but let's face it- this post was a troll. He makes two rather subjective, condescending statements without supporting evidence and thereby infers his superior knowledge and skill?  ::)

This place is primarily a hobbyist forum, nobody expects an Encyclopedia Photographia and we’re all here for fun and entertainment with our widely varying abilities. I wouldn’t  ask anyone to provide a pedigree UNLESS they're criticizing others and claiming expertise. So- put your money where your mouth is, dude.

+1000 about trolls

Why would people showcase rather than show samples or examples. The galleries are stuffed full of good pictures - this isn't a fine art forum

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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2012, 11:17:04 AM »
I walked 3 miles today with a film camera and only took 3 shots so no, I'm no photographer…;)

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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2012, 11:38:15 AM »
Love this site and the various topics that seem to get people hot under the collar. But am amazed at the rather low level of knowledge out there on the subject of photography and the poor quality of work being showcased in these forums. Is it just me or do others agree?
The OP may be a fine fellow (with only 2 posts it's hard to tell), but let's face it- this post was a troll. He makes two rather subjective, condescending statements without supporting evidence and thereby infers his superior knowledge and skill?  ::)

This place is primarily a hobbyist forum, nobody expects an Encyclopedia Photographia and we’re all here for fun and entertainment with our widely varying abilities. I wouldn’t  ask anyone to provide a pedigree UNLESS they're criticizing others and claiming expertise. So- put your money where your mouth is, dude.

Well said.

The OP claims to be a landscape, wildlife and commercial photographer who is purchasing a 1Dx. I'm wondering why he feels the need to critique the images that are shared on this site (mostly by amateurs trying to learn the basics) and why he doesn't provide his portfolio's website address to give others a frame of reference. 

Instead, he decides that for his first two posts, he will create two new threads, both somewhat inflammatory and neither one saying anything interesting or constructive.

...And yet he has taken the time to post links to a very lukewarm deal on the 7D and promoting it like it was the greatest deal ever. (I know it is just lukewarm because just this month I added a fifth 7D to my inventory for $1149 including the 28-135mm lens with a U.S. warranty, and it was shipped instantly and in my hands the next day from an authorized dealer. Other well-known price points on 7Ds have included several instances of the body only for $1,100. So for the admin to advertise the "body package deal" for $1,349 was simple commercialism just like Ken Rockwell does.)

1) Perhaps you don't know the difference between an "Ad Post" and a news post. Ad Posts are sponsored and paid for. They are ads. They are one of the things that keeps this forum in business and allows the rest of us to post and share.

2) Please enlighten us as to what dealer is selling you five 7Ds with a 28-135mm kit lens for $1,149 each, including U.S. warranty. That is a great deal. Sounds too good to be true. I'm sure everyone on this forum would like to know the details. Especially since CanonPriceWatch.com indicates the lowest price ever for that kit was $1,500.

Back to the original post for a bit.

I don't come to this forum for advice or critiques of my images. I'm here because I enjoy reading about and speculating on new camera equipment. Let's all admit it, this is primarily a gearhead forum. That doesn't mean that gear freaks can't be good photographers. (If you look up any of the member websites, you'll see a lot of very accomplished photographers.)

I'm here because there are people who care about and understand the technology of photography to a far greater degree than I ever will. One can be a good photographer without having any technical knowledge and one can be a great technician without having any photographic skill. But, generally, it helps to have a little of both.

It's a hobby and entertainment for me and frankly, I kind of enjoy the company. I have the illusion that I actually know something about some of the participants and I appreciate that. I can discuss and debate with people from across the world, which is something I can't do otherwise.

It's also fascinating to me to see the variety of careers that encompass photography. People like V-8 Beast who turned a love of cars into a career. There are a number of very good wedding photographers. There is a professional Polo photographer. There is someone who runs a rental studio for other photographers to use to take pictures of silicone enhanced models. Until ignorant idiots drove him off, we had MacFly, who was clearly one of the best celebrity photographers in Hollywood.

If I'm interested in buying a new piece of equipment I can post a question here and Neuro (who owns everything) and others will give me a broad range of advice.

If I'm curious about how sensors really work, I can ask and I'll get dozens of answers that I won't really understand, but I'll find informative anyway.

In fact, I find the OP's statement about "low level of knowledge" not only condescending, but ill-informed. For a bunch of amateurs, I'm always surprised at how much some of the contributors to this forum know about technical subjects.

In short, I really couldn't care less about the quality of the images that people post on the sharing portion of the forum. If that's why you come here, there is nothing wrong with that, but it's ridiculously unfair to evaluate the forum and its participants on that narrow basis.

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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2012, 11:40:07 AM »
Well, as far as the OP's opinon is concerned, I can't say that I have read or viewed images on this forum enough to offer a very informed opinion, but I am a litle skeptical, at least, about his expectations. This is a gear forum, and pictures here usually meant to illustrate some point about gear, not to display some persoal masterpiece. As to the advice, I would expect a wide range of expertise and knowlege here as there is no bar to people of all experience levels to particpate. When sometimes absolutely silly advice comes through, it usually can be attributed to the well known concept of not knowing enough to know that you really don't know anything, typical of not just internet forums, but just about all discussions about anything.

Personally, I doubt that I would or will post anything of great quality on his site. That effort, I reserve for my cients' jobs or for display on my website. I do hope that any advice I might give would be sound and based on a lot of real experience. I can't speak for anyone else, however, and must leave to others' judgment the value of whatever I do contribute. Finally, if, I, myself, find other people' advice unhelpful, I usually just ignore it; no harm done.

On another matter, as to the "commercialization" of this website for profit, I say: wake up; without the profit motive, very little of either good or bad consequence would ever take place. Take from others efforts what you will, but do not begrudge them the opporunity to earn a reward for poviding a service to people who want it. That's just how the real world works.
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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2012, 11:45:37 AM »
I can't believe people are actually posting to this thread.  The OP is clearly trolling.  It is not designed to provide a rich environment for intellectual stimulation.
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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2012, 12:08:24 PM »
I can't believe people are actually posting to this thread.  The OP is clearly trolling.  It is not designed to provide a rich environment for intellectual stimulation.

Yes you are right - the problem is that we have so many trolls on this forum that we dont spot another appearing/ At least this one wasn't anti-Canon

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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2012, 12:36:35 PM »
He is helping CR pay for the servers and web site costs, so there is always a bright side.  I remember when they almost had to shut down because Canon attorneys issued a cease and desist letter. Fortunately, they backed off.

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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2012, 12:41:29 PM »
seem's be be here troll's  job is to see how  many come back's  he gets with the fewest  words !

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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2012, 01:33:32 PM »
Love this site and the various topics that seem to get people hot under the collar. But am amazed at the rather low level of knowledge out there on the subject of photography and the poor quality of work being showcased in these forums. Is it just me or do others agree?

it's a rumors forum so why the shock if people mostly discuss rumors and tech specs here ???
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Re: Any actual photographers out there?
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2012, 01:51:35 PM »
I can't believe people are actually posting to this thread.  The OP is clearly trolling.  It is not designed to provide a rich environment for intellectual stimulation.
Yeah, but the conversation has moved beyond the troll and has provided some friendly dialogue. I like Unfocused's point about camaraderie. As one of the worst, least-knowledgeable photographers on the site- I appreciate the technical help but I also enjoy the social aspect of a shared interest. Sometimes this place is almost like being a member of a club.
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« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2012, 01:51:35 PM »