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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2011, 01:21:41 PM »
As I (and others) have stated previously, the location and operational status of Canon's plants is not the only concern.  Canon products are assembled at Canon plants, but the parts come from both Canon plants and other vendor plants. Many silicon chip makers have plants in the Sendai area that were obviously affected more than some Canon facilities.  If Canon sourced parts from those vendors for lenses and/or bodies, that will impact Canon's production lines.

It's interesting that Canon recently stopped stamping date codes on some lenses.  I do know that my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II, bought soon after the lens was released, has a date code - more recent copies of the lens reportedly do not, so they dropped the date code in production.  But, lenses I purchased late last year (35L, 135L) had late 2010 (UY10) date codes, and that means they were produced after Canon stopped putting date codes on the 70-200 II.  Does anyone know if this change applies across the board?  If Canon does retool another factory for lens production, without the date code initial letter, there may be no way to know where the lens was made (hopefully, it won't matter, but you never know...).
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2011, 06:32:11 PM »
I thought I heard that they were replacing the date codes with serial numbers.  If anything, that would give MORE info.  I could be mistaken though. 

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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2011, 07:31:20 PM »
I thought I heard that they were replacing the date codes with serial numbers.  If anything, that would give MORE info.  I could be mistaken though.

Lenses with date codes also have serial numbers, although the new serial numbers on lenses without date codes are longer (10 digits for the 70-200 II).  The thing is, we know how to interpret date codes - but the new, longer serial numbers are meaningless at this point.
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2011, 07:55:05 PM »
The thing is, we know how to interpret that date codes - but the new, longer serial numbers are meaningless at this point.

I keep expecting some web site to collect serial numbers versus pruchase date and make that available to used lens buyers.  It would be only approximate, but someone might also use it to figure out dates more accurately.  Usually, serial numbers are sequential, so that would help.

I would think that Canon Service will be able to lookup a lenses manufacture date by serial number. 

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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2011, 12:13:20 AM »
As I (and others) have stated previously, the location and operational status of Canon's plants is not the only concern.  Canon products are assembled at Canon plants, but the parts come from both Canon plants and other vendor plants. Many silicon chip makers have plants in the Sendai area that were obviously affected more than some Canon facilities.  If Canon sourced parts from those vendors for lenses and/or bodies, that will impact Canon's production lines.

Totally agree: the vital thing is not the finsihed camera or lens, but all those micro components that makes up the whole. While there's a Canon plant in Taiwan, lens production would run into problems if certain "made in Japan ONLY" components  becomes lacking (like iPad2's battery, which I believe is made in Japan with no alternative).

On a side note, while note related to Canon or the camera industry per se, this English article from Asahi News gives a broader view of how damages to the supply chain will have an impact on the bigger international scene: http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201103280161.html
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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2011, 12:44:08 AM »
I'm quite sad about the price rising so high.

I was planning on buying another prime lens this month but the current price is like roughly $60+ the normal prices!

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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2011, 04:44:50 AM »
So here is a thought, if Canon knew it was less affected than Nikon. It could use this time to allow prices to rise as well as pent up demand, then release a camera/stock at a higher price for a good peak in revenue.
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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2011, 10:15:34 AM »
Here I think is a good website for identifying when and where your lenses were made.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/canon-lenses/canon-lens-aging.aspx

And to respond to Kuscali on the previous page, by INOP I mean INOPERABLE which is what the abbreviation is used for.

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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2011, 10:24:59 AM »
Here I think is a good website for identifying when and where your lenses were made.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/canon-lenses/canon-lens-aging.aspx

Which is exactly my point about lenses produced currently - that link (and there are others with the same info) - use the date code for age and production location.  But, some new lenses do not have that code on them (and not all lenses have them, in any case, but all L lenses did...until they dropped it from the 70-200 II).
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2011, 12:27:10 PM »
As I (and others) have stated previously, the location and operational status of Canon's plants is not the only concern.  Canon products are assembled at Canon plants, but the parts come from both Canon plants and other vendor plants. Many silicon chip makers have plants in the Sendai area that were obviously affected more than some Canon facilities.  If Canon sourced parts from those vendors for lenses and/or bodies, that will impact Canon's production lines.

Totally agree: the vital thing is not the finsihed camera or lens, but all those micro components that makes up the whole. While there's a Canon plant in Taiwan, lens production would run into problems if certain "made in Japan ONLY" components  becomes lacking (like iPad2's battery, which I believe is made in Japan with no alternative).

On a side note, while note related to Canon or the camera industry per se, this English article from Asahi News gives a broader view of how damages to the supply chain will have an impact on the bigger international scene: http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201103280161.html

If only that was the Japanese way.  They seem to have a pathalogical distaste for using foreign sourced components even if that would get them out of a hole, the only way they seem able to accept this is if the foreign manufactured components are made by a Japanese owned company.

An illustration of how stiff necked they are about this can be seen with the Fukushima Daichii nuclear plant, when they refused to accept foreign advice and certificated it for at least another 10 years when it should have been decommissioned this year.

If Canon cannot source Japanese make components it is unlikely they will source them elsewhere they'd rather the plant sat idle and production stopped.  It might seem strange to us in the West but that's just how they are, having worked for them there's a definite 'alien' culture there.

Canon should be able to produce camera bodies even if it can't get straight back into lens production, I think they're in a better position than Nikon as most people will have a few L grade lenses and expect bodies to be replaced on a more regular basis, the cheaper DSLRs have lenses made in other countries so should be relatively unaffected.

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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2011, 12:46:28 PM »
the cheaper DSLRs have lenses made in other countries so should be relatively unaffected.

The cheaper DSLRs themselves are made in other countries.  Canon Taiwan produces, "Digital SLR cameras, EF lenses, LCD projector lenses and other lenses, precision-metal molds."  The XS/1000D was made there.  Apparently, the T3/1100D is made in Japan, but I'd bet that could be easily moved to Taiwan (and was likely planned to move there at some point anyway).
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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2011, 06:40:22 PM »
Anyone know where the 5Dii and 7D are made? I'm assuming Japan since those are a step above the t3i build-quality wise but am curious to know...

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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2011, 06:42:51 PM »
All the Canon DSLR's are made assembled in Japan.  Some of the consumer lenses, are currently made in Taiwan.

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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2011, 07:12:38 AM »
Not true. The Canon Rebel DSLRs are made in Taiwan.

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« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2011, 07:13:55 AM »
Anyone know where the 5Dii and 7D are made? I'm assuming Japan since those are a step above the t3i build-quality wise but am curious to know...

Yup both of those are made in Japan.

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