December 18, 2014, 07:49:28 AM

Author Topic: Should I get the 5dmk3 now or wait for possible unannounced 24-70mk2 kit  (Read 4517 times)

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Since i was hoping to take pictures of people mostly, i figure the IS wouldn't be as useful as say the small aperture.

As you know, the small dof can really an issue if you shoot people - even f4 can be pretty thin, too, considering how much distance there is. The distance data is in Lightroom, too, but you need a plugin (ExifMeta) to dig it out. How good IS is for portraits is debatable, but a fast locking IS shouldn't hurt for "smile in the camera" shots. And of course then there is always the "off" button for the IS :-) but there is no "extend zoom range to 105" button on the 24-70... most people say the f2.8 on the 24-70 is for low light indoor shooting (weddings, events), otherwise the 24-105 is just fine or use the primes you've got. But it's your money :->

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whichever mid-range zoom i get, would become my walk around lens.  Since i was hoping to take pictures of people mostly, i figure the IS wouldn't be as useful as say the small aperture.  I do have a 600ex, but have had limited success in using it at bars as the ceilings are all kinds of colors.  But this is just lack of experience, and something i plan to practice more with.

I'd save the primes for portraits and low light.

Right.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that opening the aperture isn't always the way to go.  If you open it up too much in the bar, yes it's dark, but most of your photo will be out of focus.  If you shoot at f/2.8 at 70mm, I've seen shots where the nose is very sharp and ears are slightly blurred.  If it's a general walkaround lens I'd still argue for the 24-105L.  If you have the funds and know you only need up to 70mm, then yes of course, wait for the 24-70L II lens.  On my FF the 24-105L is my most used zoom, behind the 70-200L.  Even indoors I never shoot wider than f/4 because I'm a DOF guy, I like a good amount of DOF.  Only time I don't care is portrait shots, which, with the 600EX-RT, is more than sufficient if you get to know how to use it to shoot at f/4.  However, I use a prime anyways for portrait shots and wouldn't even use a zoom. 

I still just think that you'd use the 24-105L more than the 24-70L, which is sort of specialized.  You need to evaluate closely which shots you'll be taking, what DOF you want, what lighting, and where you'll be.  With a 5D Mark III though, you can shoot at higher ISO values than before, so that will allow you to shoot at narrower apertures.  Heck I shot a few at 12,800 this past week and was able to do NR and print them on photo paper and looked completely fine, and I was at f/6.3.
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What you do in this case is get the kit with the 24-105L lens.  This solves all of your problems.

That's what I said :-) ... @squarebox: Maybe have a look at your Lightroom stats again, how many shots did you do with open aperture - so is f2.8 really necessary considering you've already got the primes? And then look at the LR stats for zoom length (you can create a smart filter for this, zoom lenght > x and < y) - is dropping the 70-105 range on the zoom a good idea :-p ?

That's a great way to look at it.


Looking at my stats from the 24-100mm range, 80%+ of my shots were at max aperture, which might not help cause we are talking in the range of f3.5-5.6.

The other thing is that moving up to FF should get me a few stops increase in light performance, so when i see apertures i'm thinking how they work for me on the crop sensor and with weaker ISO capabilities.  So just by moving to the 5D, F4 might work for me.

Even with 5D III, 24-105 is NOT a right choice for low light shooting, unless you plan to attach external flash:((   Otherwise, you gonna need f2.8 or faster for night/luau. Your 35L will do just fine on 5D III for night/luau.

Stay away from new Tamron 24-70. Friend of mine bought one and he returned it back to BH. CA is terrible, slow focus, sharp is ok nothing super, IS is not that good compared to canon 17-55 f2.8 IS. Canon 24-70 mrk II seems to be a right choice. I too have this lens on pre-order.

I think wide angle(16-35 II) would be a great choice for landscape. Save your money for 24-70 mrk II.
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Get the 5d III now and invest in 16-35 II to cover the wide angle. Later 24-70 II followed by 70-200 completing 2.8 trinity  :)
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Thanx for all the feedback. After hearing everyone's suggestions, I decided to get the 5dmk3 now with the 16-35L, the 24-105L, and with the savings and double rebate i'll get the 100L macro, or stretch and get the 70-200LIS.

What nailed it for me was that the 24-105L in the kit in the u.s. is 1/3 the cost of the 24-70mk2 here in japan.  I could also probably sell the kit lens here in Japan for a profit.  I was worried about the 24-70 being out in time for my trip to Hawaii in Oct..
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Thanx for all the feedback. After hearing everyone's suggestions, I decided to get the 5dmk3 now with the 16-35L, the 24-105L, and with the savings and double rebate i'll get the 100L macro, or stretch and get the 70-200LIS.

What nailed it for me was that the 24-105L in the kit in the u.s. is 1/3 the cost of the 24-70mk2 here in japan.  I could also probably sell the kit lens here in Japan for a profit.  I was worried about the 24-70 being out in time for my trip to Hawaii in Oct..

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